[ISTJ] The ISTJ exception?

[Santosha]

Are ISTJ's ever messy? As in books, cd's clothes thrown all around their room for days on end, without it really bothering them?

Would an ISTJ ever take a roadtrip without really planning out where they will be stopping, times, itinerary, etc. ?

Have you ever seen an ISTJ care little for their health and drink alot or do drugs?

Would an ISTJ frequently lie to avoid a conflict with someone close to them, so they didn't have to deal with emotionalism?

I have a friend who types as ISTJ. Really mild "J". I find it hard to believe that he really is (because of some of the above mentioned).. but when I think about it.. there are definatlely some strong "J" tendencies in him. Like

~ He hates being late for ANYTHING.. even just 5 minutes to hang out with friends!
~ He gets really upset when his routine is changed with work, or obligations. He pays his bills contstantly on time, and the few times he's had to pay a few days or week late he gets really salty.. even if it has no negative affect on him like a late fee or mark on his credit.
~ If he says he is going to do something, he does it. It wouldnt matter if he had food poisening.
~ He is extremely fearful of emotions, and RARELY shows them. I saw him shed a few tears when a very close grandma passed.. the first time ever in 4 yrs. One time he told me that he doesn't trust emotions, and how out of control he may act if he unleashed them?

He is undoubtedly an IST.. but I cant figure out for the life of me if he's more P or J.

I've had him take the functions test.. and here is another thing.. he gets different results every time. He doesnt buy into stuff like "jungian functions" and uses the different test results to prove to me that the system is flawed, when in reality I don't think he sees himself clearly at all.

Anyhow, any ISTJ's that can answer some of these questions, I'd really appreciate it. THANKS!

 

[IZthe411]

Are ISTJ's ever messy? As in books, cd's clothes thrown all around their room for days on end, without it really bothering them?

Would an ISTJ ever take a roadtrip without really planning out where they will be stopping, times, itinerary, etc. ?

Have you ever seen an ISTJ care little for their health and drink alot or do drugs?

Would an ISTJ frequently lie to avoid a conflict with someone close to them, so they didn't have to deal with emotionalism?

I have a friend who types as ISTJ. Really mild "J". I find it hard to believe that he really is (because of some of the above mentioned).. but when I think about it.. there are definatlely some strong "J" tendencies in him. Like

~ He hates being late for ANYTHING.. even just 5 minutes to hang out with friends!
~ He gets really upset when his routine is changed with work, or obligations. He pays his bills contstantly on time, and the few times he's had to pay a few days or week late he gets really salty.. even if it has no negative affect on him like a late fee or mark on his credit.
~ If he says he is going to do something, he does it. It wouldnt matter if he had food poisening.
~ He is extremely fearful of emotions, and RARELY shows them. I saw him shed a few tears when a very close grandma passed.. the first time ever in 4 yrs. One time he told me that he doesn't trust emotions, and how out of control he may act if he unleashed them?

He is undoubtedly an IST.. but I cant figure out for the life of me if he's more P or J.

I've had him take the functions test.. and here is another thing.. he gets different results every time. He doesnt buy into stuff like "jungian functions" and uses the different test results to prove to me that the system is flawed, when in reality I don't think he sees himself clearly at all.

Anyhow, any ISTJ's that can answer some of these questions, I'd really appreciate it. THANKS!

Your guy sounds like a lot of men- the closest thing would be the fact that he is prompt and will keep his word- those are ISTJ typical things.

Why are you sure he's 'undoubtedly IST'?

 

[Lady_X]

it's just about priorities i think. my ex (istj) used to be a big partier...didn't care as much about having his house super clean and in order....would blow off class to hang out with friends...be spontaneous n stuff but i don't think he changed...or his type...i think he just grew up and reorganized his priorities.

as istj as i think he is...i still think he's a bit istpish tho haha...he's a big time adrenaline junkie...races motorcycles n stuff.

 

[Santosha]

Why are you sure he's 'undoubtedly IST'?

THe I & T force is strong with this one, easy for any onlooker to observe. He goes weeks on end without seeing any friends, and its not depression. He prefers it. He doesn't understand emotions at all, expected emotional responces, anything warm and fuzzy usually baffles and sometimes disguists him.

His S/N preference is much harder to figure out, party because he is so introverted. He doesn't read very often at all, and when he does its usually survivalist guides. He has a hard time following abstract. He doesn't recognize symbols, pick up (to me) obvious hunches, and he doesnt care much for theorys, seems to find them useless unless concrete evidence given. Overall he prefers the practial, realistic, tangible. I really do think he is an Sensor. So it leaves two possible types.. ISTJ or ISTP.

The last few functions test I've gotten him to take, he's scored dom Si. But if he's ISTJ, he's got to be one of the most care free, go with the flow, un organized ISTJ's I know. It just doesn't fit, or my perception of ISTJ is skewed...

Can anyone offer up a good way to decipher between the ISTP/ISTJ?

 

[Habba]

Are ISTJ's ever messy? As in books, cd's clothes thrown all around their room for days on end, without it really bothering them?

My apartment is rather messy, but there's atleast some order in it which helps me find the stuff I need... like the scissors never leave the kitchen. And I hate if someone changes the way things are, because then I lost track what's where.

Would an ISTJ ever take a roadtrip without really planning out where they will be stopping, times, itinerary, etc. ?

Could, but it's unlikely. They might look up for interesting places to visit, but they don't have to plan all the things.

Have you ever seen an ISTJ care little for their health and drink alot or do drugs?

Yep

Would an ISTJ frequently lie to avoid a conflict with someone close to them, so they didn't have to deal with emotionalism?

When conforted with a direct question, I don't think we are prone to lie. However, we are likely to keep our mouths shut if that seems to hold the peace.

He is undoubtedly an IST.. but I cant figure out for the life of me if he's more P or J.

I've had him take the functions test.. and here is another thing.. he gets different results every time. He doesnt buy into stuff like "jungian functions" and uses the different test results to prove to me that the system is flawed, when in reality I don't think he sees himself clearly at all.

I remember reading that people who receive different types from tests might have problems with their identity and/or are in middle of a transition. So it might be that he is having a somekind of crisis or period of uncertainty in his life.

 

[Patches]

Can anyone offer up a good way to decipher between the ISTP/ISTJ?

I've got to be honest, your description in the first post sounds like my ISTP brother. His apartment is a mess, he takes spontaneous trips to casinos for the weekend sometimes, he smokes a LOT of weed (but I honestly believe he'd never try anything 'harder'), and he tends to avoid emotional conversations, though he doesn't seem like much of a liar.

 

[Lady_X]

THe I & T force is strong with this one, easy for any onlooker to observe. He goes weeks on end without seeing any friends, and its not depression. He prefers it. He doesn't understand emotions at all, expected emotional responces, anything warm and fuzzy usually baffles and sometimes disguists him.

His S/N preference is much harder to figure out, party because he is so introverted. He doesn't read very often at all, and when he does its usually survivalist guides. He has a hard time following abstract. He doesn't recognize symbols, pick up (to me) obvious hunches, and he doesnt care much for theorys, seems to find them useless unless concrete evidence given. Overall he prefers the practial, realistic, tangible. I really do think he is an Sensor. So it leaves two possible types.. ISTJ or ISTP.

The last few functions test I've gotten him to take, he's scored dom Si. But if he's ISTJ, he's got to be one of the most care free, go with the flow, un organized ISTJ's I know. It just doesn't fit, or my perception of ISTJ is skewed...

Can anyone offer up a good way to decipher between the ISTP/ISTJ?

hmm...the person i'm talking about is super social...loves getting together with people and isn't perplexed by others emotional responses...he genuinely likes warm and fuzzy i believe. he's just more swayed by logic and efficiency than an emotional standpoint.

 

[bcubchgo]

Are ISTJ's ever messy? As in books, cd's clothes thrown all around their room for days on end, without it really bothering them?

Not usually. There are always exceptions though I would imagine. Perhaps if he was not a total 100% J...

Would an ISTJ ever take a roadtrip without really planning out where they will be stopping, times, itinerary, etc. ?

Again, i think this is dependent on the amount of anal retentiveness. I'm sure there are moments where an ISTJ just needs to "escape" but normally they would plan travel events.

Have you ever seen an ISTJ care little for their health and drink alot or do drugs?

Yes. if they are depressed it's possible.

Would an ISTJ frequently lie to avoid a conflict with someone close to them, so they didn't have to deal with emotionalism?

Yes. I've been on the brunt end of this and it's definitely possible. *Especially* so they don't have to deal with confusing emotions. Somehow, they always think that they are doing you a "favor" by avoiding it. (Mostly because they would deal with it in a terribly immature way and they wouldn't want to tarnish their "image".. lol) If they did lie it would definitely be for a mostly selfish reason though, like everybody else.