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    Quote Originally Posted by InvisibleJim View Post


    IxTJ, Freestyling the world of rational behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caligula View Post
    @Giggly: You're completely right.

    @prplchknz:
    I understand the feeling. You just want to help them understand! I love your avatar btw.

    @Iz: Now that I think about it, my INTJ friends do the same thing...

    @Jennifer:
    Ouch, I'm sorry. That seems so annoying; I would never take it to that extreme. I think when someone is calling the other person an idiot, they've already lost.
    I would never take something as fact without solid evidence, though I do make the mistake of assuming everyone sees things the way I see them.
    Maybe you are ISFJ.

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    So, would you say that these type of TJs are not okay with "agreeing to disagree"? I know that my ISTJ and I have differing viewpoints over what should be done in a situation, and there's no real evidence to support either side, because it's more like a preference ("do you like that outfit?" "no." "what is wrong with you?"). How easy is to say just agree to disagree? ("well, I guess we don't see eye to on that.") Is that really the end of that, or would that feel unsettling to a TJ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I blame Te. Fe can be the same way, if not worse.
    I will admit that I do it mostly to get under people's skin if they piss me off or if I am annoyed. What you say about Fe users might be true.... eek. Actually my XSTJ brother used to do this to me to piss me off also.

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    Change to: "Js and steamrolling." All TJs do it. FJs also do it, only a different way. Instead of saying, "this is the truth," it's "this is how you should act."
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    I go more the "you are an idiot" route through subtle insinuation not " this is the way you should act" route. I am more like the TJs but more subtle.

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    I know several STJs and two NTJs. They all do this, though I don't really have a problem with it. We'll just get in a bitching match and be done with it a few minutes later, or settle it by finding out who's right from an external source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mochajava View Post
    So, would you say that these type of TJs are not okay with "agreeing to disagree"? I know that my ISTJ and I have differing viewpoints over what should be done in a situation, and there's no real evidence to support either side, because it's more like a preference ("do you like that outfit?" "no." "what is wrong with you?"). How easy is to say just agree to disagree? ("well, I guess we don't see eye to on that.") Is that really the end of that, or would that feel unsettling to a TJ?
    They'll say ATD, but it's rarely over. LOL. Any future evidence to furhter support their viewpoint will spark it up again.

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    I will admit that I do it mostly to get under people's skin if they piss me off or if I am annoyed. What you say about Fe users might be true.... eek. Actually my XSTJ brother used to do this to me to piss me off also
    Same here, especially with other Js who have a perspecitive that they have no business trying to assert on others.

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    I believe in forcing, when it serves a purpose. Oftimes people deny the truth because they are afraid of it. Sometimes giving people a little bit of push can make them conquer their own fears and become better people.

    I like telling people how things are, but I also welcome good counter-arguments. But most of the time I'm pretty confident with my own logic, and that can be see as steamrolling.

    Anyways, I always try to count human emotions as a factor too. Sometimes truth can die if it's too painful/embarrassing/whatever to hear. And especially I don't want to bash anyone in front of other people.

    Anyways.. didn't read all the posts here, so I'm not even sure if this is completely on-topic... but hey, I make it on-topic by posting this! You just got Steam-Roll'd.

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