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    I think if a hyper dimensional alien being erroneously referred to as "God" were to exist it could conceivably keep itself hidden. I think such an entity is absurd and most likely does not exist. That religion is purely the product of human imagination should be obvious to everyone who doesn't drink the kool-aid.

    Does this thing exist? I don't think so. Could it exist? I don't know. So you could call me an agnostic-atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    Does this thing exist? I don't think so. Could it exist? I don't know. So you could call me an agnostic-atheist.
    That just sounds like the definition I've always gone by for what agnostic is. God dammit, I'm confused.

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    As I understand it a strict Agnostic always answers "I don't know" to the God question. Does God exist? They don't know. Could God exist? They don't know. Agnostic means A-without Gnosis=knowledge, greek for I don't know.

    An Atheist would have some degree of certainty that God(s) do not exist. A Theist would be somewhat certain that God(s) do exist.

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    So agnostic = an apathetic "I don't know."

    Atheists = (typically) more researched and thought through to conclude it's highly unlikely that a god exists.


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    Agnostics aren't necessarily apathetic, some of them are quite adamant that we cannot know anything about God and whether it exists or not. Atheists have thought about God and it just doesn't work, there's no way it can exist but if it does we'd like to see it.

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    Ok, well when you put it that way, I consider myself agnostic (still).

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    Agnostics aren't necessarily apathetic, some of them are quite adamant that we cannot know anything about God and whether it exists or not. Atheists have thought about God and it just doesn't work, there's no way it can exist but if it does we'd like to see it.
    You got it. I took a course called "Philosophy and Atheism" (I bombed it because apparently philosophy is not my thing and I felt like the topic had been beaten to death so I just wanted to quit.... so I did.)
    Anyway..... Agnostics don't think God (higher power) can be proved or disproved as opposed to the Atheist who either believes there is no god, or does not believe in god. (I know end of the last sentence is fucked up.... there's positive atheism and negative atheism.... I can explain it if you want but I don't feel like it now)

    As for an answer to the original topic, I don't hate being an ISTJ, I just hate how I make others feel.

    I correct my mother, sister, boyfriend, friends so much (it's wash not worsh.... deer not deers.... yes you can leave a tip on a credit card and they will still get it.... why would you even think to do it like that... that doesn't make any sense, did YOU even think? etc) that I just come off as a controlling bitch.

    Not only am I hard on myself I am very hard on everyone around me. I guess I expect too much from them. I've had to accept that you can't make someone change. I have just wanted my family members to improve, but it only ends up with them feeling like they aren't good enough... or in my mothers case, that she is a bad parent.

    ....Which I feel like she is because she makes me feel guilty for EVEYTHING!!!
    ...But I try not to be the kind of person who shifts blame. I don't even let anyone take the blame for something!!! lol I'm a freak.

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    You mean it isn't worsh?! Worsh makes me crazy too.

    My mother is a STJ - she teaches college English, and can tell you immediately any part of the MLA handbook, and she knows all the rules for proper English usage. Needless to say, my english was corrected a lot when I was growing up, which was mildly infuriating but was also very helpful. ( Plus, it's a freakish marvel to hear my mother recall an obscure diction rule. It's like a secret power. ) I can say that because of her, I know how to speak correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyJaye View Post
    I can say that because of her, I know how to speak correctly.
    I am the opposite. I speak very well due to my mother's inability to use proper grammar. She would always say, "When you get A's in English you can correct me." So I got A's in English. Then it was, "If you get straight A's you can correct me." So I got straight A's. But.... I am still not allowed to correct her because there is always "something."

    I already have more education than her, what does she want!?!?!?

    She drives me nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taberculosis View Post

    I already have more education than her, what does she want!?!?!?

    She drives me nuts.
    It's part of the Mom Rules, which are actually quite arbitrary. A lot like Calvinball I think. For example, my mother is the safest driver I know, and yet, she told me her dream job was to be a demolition derby driver. I suspect motherhood does something to the brain.

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