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    Default Fellow SJs: do people see you as "closed-minded"?

    I ask because that is SUCH an SJ stereotype, and I was curious to see whether the stereotype is valid or not. I know from my personal experience that I am NOT viewed as closed-minded, and no one has ever nagged at me for being closed-minded, AND, for that matter, closed-minded people can really irritate me.... but I don't want to judge all SJs based on my own experience.

    I don't mean for this to be a hate thread, or a <3 thread, for that matter... I'm simply curious. It's an opportunity to either enforce or break a stereotype, and why pass that opportunity up?

    So what are your thoughts, fellow Guardians?
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    Do you think by asking fellow SJs if people see them as closed-minded you'll achieve anything ?
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    No - I don't mean asking them if they're closed-minded. I mean asking people if anyone has ever called them closed-minded. Or if people ever think of them that way. For example, I can list off perceived qualities that make people dislike me - e.g. perceived arrogance - and I was wondering if any SJs had ever had anyone, say, rant at them for being "closed-minded", even if they don't think of themselves that way.

    I probably should have phrased it differently... Too late now, I suppose.
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    I dont trust people who aint at least a bit weird
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    Closed minded, not really. Very rigid/straight laced/inflexible about how I do things or how I prefer to go about my life...yes I have been.

    Of course, I know that for certain topics I have very deep seeded opinions and judgments made and it's going to take me a lot to budge but I don't consider that as being closed minded...just having a very strict criteria for getting me to change my mind
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    As long as you have the avenue to meet a new person without any fallacies, you're the boss. But who has that ? I do not and how could I, aint I supposed to interpret hell into people as an abstract thinker ? Yes I am and I'm doing it.

    I dont think the key to understanding will be ending what one is good at, I think the key to understanding will be just understanding. Nothing better than when my best istj friends tells me "I know you're weird, but dont worry. I have your back."
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    S people have accused me of being close-minded.

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    There's a difference between close-mindedness and fierce loyalty, which is what I think SJs exhibit. This is why I like them, although ISTJs sometimes clash with me about my world-view (T vs. F) but they're so rational that they usually give up any angry tirade they may have.

    I tend to "share" my close-mindedness with ISFJs because I relate to their dedication to a cause. In that way, I understand that it is not close-mindedness; it's more of an idealism. I've heard ISFJs say things "I would die for liberty" and, not to get too technical, I imagine their S makes them appear to be the standard-bearer of the ideal. From my perspective, ISFJs and INFPs are linked in their romantic desires to "realise" things. They remind me of this type of figure:


    ISTJs seem also loyal in this regard but they seem to be forced/compelled to analyse all aspects of things. I can't see them as close-minded, but they are always resolute.
    That girls are raped, that two boys knife a third,
    Were axioms to him, who'd never heard
    Of any world where promises were kept,
    Or one could weep because another wept.

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    Here is how close-mindedness is bestowed upon decisive people:

    A: Tell me the best redish color!
    B: Orange.
    A: Noted.
    C: Green! I love green.
    A: Green will not be taken into consideration.
    C: Why the hell not?
    A: Because it is not redish.
    B: Well...
    C: Wait a minute! I for one think it's very redish.
    A: I am sorry, but: no.
    C: Hey B, A is pretty close-minded for someone who is interested in color shades.
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    If you don't mind me butting in, there are SJs in my life I do consider closed to alternative views, and those who I know will always consider another point of view. The difference tends to come down to STJ vs SFJ. Both have views on things, one will steadfastly hold onto what they've decided is their truth and in order to convince them otherwise you will have to be ironclad in your proof of an alternate answer, the other will consider the human relationships aspect of hearing other people out without making black and white statements about what is true. This pattern crosses over into NTJ vs NFJ too. Reliance on Te vs Fe may be the key.

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