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    I thought you might use the "in my life" or "who I consider" defense, but I see you went with the "closed to alternative views" =/= "close-minded" one instead.

    Interesting grey area there...

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    I find that when two people have different view points, they are often not open to the other viewpoint and equally unmovable about it, whether they call themselves liberals or intuitives or open-minded or whatever. Stubborn bull-headed people come in all forms, as do flexible open-minded people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    I thought you might use the "in my life" or "who I consider" defense, but I see you went with the "closed to alternative views" =/= "close-minded" one instead.

    Interesting grey area there...
    And then you get "you're being closed-minded in challenging my observations of closed-mindedness." Damn Ti-ers.
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    I also want to add that often times people see SJs as "traditional" which means that they are not open to new ideas. But i assert that the people who are such big fans of new ideas also happen to be squarely against tradition. To the point where they sometimes get violent, insulting and extremely belligerent just because someone doesn't think the same way they do. So who is closed-minded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    I also want to add that often times people see SJs as "traditional" which means that they are not open to new ideas. But i assert that the people who are such big fans of new ideas also happen to be squarely against tradition. To the point where they sometimes get violent, insulting and extremely belligerent just because someone doesn't think the same way they do. So who is closed-minded?
    Good point. I have friends who fit in both categories very well.

    It comes off as snobbishness in one group and stubbornness in the another.
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    I wouldn't say i am closed minded although i can be stubborn in my thinking when set on a particular goal .. I like possibilities as it means change is inevitable. I also like other points of view as i take a keen interest in people.

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    I think SJs often have very strong views on many things but this doesn't necessarily result in closed mindedness but then this goes for several other types.

    Also many I know are against certain things in theory but do little to interfere with it in reality - in other words often they talk tough but really are 'live and let live' people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasper View Post
    If you don't mind me butting in, there are SJs in my life I do consider closed to alternative views, and those who I know will always consider another point of view. The difference tends to come down to STJ vs SFJ. Both have views on things, one will steadfastly hold onto what they've decided is their truth and in order to convince them otherwise you will have to be ironclad in your proof of an alternate answer, the other will consider the human relationships aspect of hearing other people out without making black and white statements about what is true. This pattern crosses over into NTJ vs NFJ too. Reliance on Te vs Fe may be the key.
    Thanks for stating this..I know Ejcc is asking about SJs, but my question is always how it can be that certain traits are exclusive to any type. It's the combination of traits that make people prone to act a certain way, but everything that ultimately rolls into 'experience' determines your inner world and approach to the external.

    That being said, as a pup yes I was close minded. Youthful ignorance played the biggest part, not type. As I came up, I realized that there's more than one way to get from point A to point B. Now, I may not fully understand or agree with them all, but I especially like to hear how others do it to help me improve on my own experience. Really, unless the life of me and mines is affected, it's not a big deal.

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    An SJ I know said that the true and tried way is followed because he's scared of making a mistake and he simply wants to achieve a goal in the best way possible. For him, the best way is the one that is able to get the goal...the way he knows. It simply doesn't make any sense to be open to take risks with other ways because he isn't sure if they will be effective. He doesn't see this as being close-minded but more as being sure.

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    Wow, so many good points! This thread makes me feel better about non-SJ attitudes. Way to be, guys!

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