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    The people I know that are Si dominant seem to have the following characteristics.

    They make their decisions based on what has worked for them in the past, and they know what works. Once they know how to do something, they can be incredibly efficient in repeating it. They like the familiar vs. things that are novel or that they have no experience with. They can be resistant to a new way of doing something or an approach they view as unproven. In general, they seem to have an enormous store house of knowledge or recollection of past experiences that they can rapidly recall and apply to current situations. It can make them real experts.

    I find them to have very definite views, which appear to be based on their past experiences as to how something should be done. STJs can be very directive in this regard with others - there is a way something should be done (more task oriented) and they make sure others do it that way. SFJs seem to have a different approach to things - not so much task directed. Their approach seems to be that people should behave in a certain way and they make others aware when they are behaving in ways that are not aligned with this accepted way or cultural norm. In general, I find SJs to be a bit on the stubborn side.

    In my view, the way the function works in supporting decisions is that it compares the current situation to stored impressions of similar situations in the past. That comparing and contrasting of the past to the present is the essence of the function. The people I know who have this as a dominant function tend to have very strong impressions or memories of situations. It is a curious thing that sometimes, these memories are flawed, but it is clear that these previous experiences, however they recall them, are what shapes how they make decisions. What also is curious that it can very difficult for them to accept an alternate recollection of past events. It is as if they are absolutely certain their memory is correct (after all, who has a perfect memory!?).

    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Introverted functions are based on data that is taken in some form. S or N. For Si doms, the perceptive connection would be based on what they've both seen and experienced in the past. An N dom has to also start with past information taken in, but their connection more can more likely be based on something that wasn't included in the past.

    For both, the connection made may be clear to that person but it might not. When A Si dom is sure himself, when they can exactly pinpoint the 'memory', they are more confident. Credibility of the source also plays a large part as well. Si doms may also produce perceptions where they've seen it before, but may not be able to relate it exactly to something. That's where they struggle. That might also be why they appear to have good memories, since they rely so much on what they are sure they experienced instead of hunches. I think those instances where the memory isn't so clear could really be Ni, as the information coming together seems to come from out of nowhere; since their internal perceptions are so far apart, it's unlikely they use it much, if all, and any Ni flashes are immediately dismissed.
    The similarities between Ni and Si is that they both have some level of focus on a specific thing or sequence of events. My sense is the two are very different from each other though. One of the reasons that I work well with Si doms is that they seem to have strengths in areas where I have weaknesses (and visa versa). Ni is about synthesizing information, coming up with new insights, understanding the deeper meaning of things, thinking very broadly and holistically (meta-perspective), predicting what will happen in the future and that sort of thing. It operates very much on the unconscious side of the spectrum and I find that it is difficult to control. Si users seem to use the function much more consciously. They are more focused on the present and immediate practical realities.

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    For me, the primary useage for it is when I someone or deal with a situation, I compare it against every other situation, book, movie, song or person similar to it and react accordingly. The downside to this is that when I meet someone for the first time or run into a situation that's brand new to me.....I have no idea what to do. I clam up and I take an observer approach to the person: Analyze and record.
    I wonder if this is a Fe vs Te thing? I'll analyze the person if it's necessary in the situation; if it's less about them and more about something else I'm less likely to pay the person any mind.
    If the situation is brand new new to me, I'm searching for a solution from the archives in the background. Te may kick in in more serious sitatuons to try to slow things down in order for me to figure things out. Nowadays I tend to be a lot more chill about things, though. Maybe it's age LOL, but there's not too many things in life to stress about.

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    They make their decisions based on what has worked for them in the past, and they know what works. Once they know how to do something, they can be incredibly efficient in repeating it. They like the familiar vs. things that are novel or that they have no experience with. They can be resistant to a new way of doing something or an approach they view as unproven. In general, they seem to have an enormous store house of knowledge or recollection of past experiences that they can rapidly recall and apply to current situations. It can make them real experts.
    Agreed.

    I find them to have very definite views, which appear to be based on their past experiences as to how something should be done. STJs can be very directive in this regard with others - there is a way something should be done (more task oriented) and they make sure others do it that way. SFJs seem to have a different approach to things - not so much task directed. Their approach seems to be that people should behave in a certain way and they make others aware when they are behaving in ways that are not aligned with this accepted way or cultural norm. In general, I find SJs to be a bit on the stubborn side.
    (Si + Je): Depending on the person, they may be very presciptive in how they direct others. Because they tend to be more detailed, they will explain exactly how you do X, exactly how you do Y, etc.... ESxJs, with Je as the dominant approach this with more force, and whether they mean to or not, they make it appear as if 'this is how it should be done' with no room for movement. Most people will take that at face value. An SJ who is not balanced, lazy or who is not educated enough on the subject at hand are the ones that are more stubborn. At work, for instance, my ESTJ boss was very much a yes man, and whatever his boss says, he does. Literally. He lacks the desire/ability to try to understand the exact demands of his boss, instead translating it literally to his staff with little to no room for wiggle. The way I handled this was to try to figure out exactly what was needed, make sure, on the surface, that he got what he wanted but in everything else it wasn't an issue. That's why most SJs tend to chill when they get older. They've been through the situation enough times to know what's important and where not to care.

    In my view, the way the function works in supporting decisions is that it compares the current situation to stored impressions of similar situations in the past. That comparing and contrasting of the past to the present is the essence of the function. The people I know who have this as a dominant function tend to have very strong impressions or memories of situations. It is a curious thing that sometimes, these memories are flawed, but it is clear that these previous experiences, however they recall them, are what shapes how they make decisions. What also is curious that it can very difficult for them to accept an alternate recollection of past events. It is as if they are absolutely certain their memory is correct (after all, who has a perfect memory!?).
    :Laugh: You are right. Nobody's memory is perfect, but for an SJ, because they use it often in practice, they can be so sure of themselves, but be so wrong. I'm sure I do it, but we're not talking about me. LOL.


    The similarities between Ni and Si is that they both have some level of focus on a specific thing or sequence of events. My sense is the two are very different from each other though. One of the reasons that I work well with Si doms is that they seem to have strengths in areas where I have weaknesses (and visa versa). Ni is about synthesizing information, coming up with new insights, thinking very broadly and holistically (meta-perspective), predicting what will happen in the future and that sort of thing. It operates very much on the unconscious side of the spectrum and I find that it is difficult to control. Si users seem to use the function much more consciously. They are more focused on the present and immediate practical realities.
    I think to onlookers, Si appears that way. But like I've said in past posts, Si recollection isn't something that you switch on an off. Like any internal function, it's on, in the background at all times, invloluntarily butting in where it's not even necessary, making it hard to get back to what's in front of you. I told someone here that I can be in the car, driving down a stretch of road, and I'll see a billboard, or even an exit sign, and my mind brings back things that I associate with whatever it is I'm beholding. I had this argument with my ex on this stretch of road. There was nothing special about the road to make you want to remember it. The next time I went down that road, an argument we had popped in my head. When this happened, I didn't say to myself "Hmm, I wonder what this road reminds me of?"- it just happened. And then I proceeded to play out what happened between us the rest of that night. A fight, but we ended up being okay by the night's end. It was my boy's wedding reception.

    Songs, faces, food, odors, touches, colors, noises- anything sensory- will take the SJ somewhere they've been before. I'm sure it happens to you from time to time, but to an SJ it happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    I'm not sure where the line goes between Si and Te for me.

    My head carries vast amount of information about everything. I usually cope well with matters requiring general knowledge.

    I also like to keep tract of progress of all kind. For example, when walking in a city, I track my movements in a mental map, much like GPS navigator.
    I often find myself tracking for simple patterns, such as straight lines, pairs and circles. For example, if there's a light post somewhere along the street, I might unintentionally check whether the rest light posts are in a straight line. Or if products are arrangedi in an alphabetical order at the grocery store.

    I think, it's sort of function for ultimate data collection. And I have a thing for statistical phenomens. I keep checking statistics for all kinds of sports leagues, even thought I wouldn't follow the leagues themselves. For example, I know somewhat a lot about NHL's stats, even though I have never watched a whole match.

    What I don't do is data processing. I usually just keep the data as it is, and rarely make much conclusions of it. I guess this is the reason why Si people might miss things said between the lines at times.

    It's kinda hard to describe the way I think, because that's really the only way I know how to think.
    I tend to take in a lot of information, but eventually I'll make an analyzing exercise of it and make connections and stuff. That's secondary to just taking it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I think to onlookers, Si appears that way. But like I've said in past posts, Si recollection isn't something that you switch on an off. Like any internal function, it's on, in the background at all times, invloluntarily butting in where it's not even necessary, making it hard to get back to what's in front of you. I told someone here that I can be in the car, driving down a stretch of road, and I'll see a billboard, or even an exit sign, and my mind brings back things that I associate with whatever it is I'm beholding. I had this argument with my ex on this stretch of road. There was nothing special about the road to make you want to remember it. The next time I went down that road, an argument we had popped in my head. When this happened, I didn't say to myself "Hmm, I wonder what this road reminds me of?"- it just happened. And then I proceeded to play out what happened between us the rest of that night. A fight, but we ended up being okay by the night's end. It was my boy's wedding reception.

    Songs, faces, food, odors, touches, colors, noises- anything sensory- will take the SJ somewhere they've been before. I'm sure it happens to you from time to time, but to an SJ it happens all the time.
    That's interesting. It does happen to me with music. I recall images of where I was or what I was experiencing while listening to a particular song.
    When it does happen, the images are somehow very compelling or strong. Is that something of what Si feels like when you're experiencing it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    That's interesting. It does happen to me with music. I recall images of where I was or what I was experiencing while listening to a particular song.
    When it does happen, the images are somehow very compelling or strong. Is that something of what Si feels like when you're experiencing it?
    Yes. The memory can be so real. I can hear, feel, see things as that's the reality. It doesn't play back like a movie scene for scene, but in flashes. Like the experience with the girlfriend. I think of the construction backup we were in on that road. Next flash- How we had started to get loud and yell at each other, then we got quiet. What we said I don't recall, but there are times when in a flash I can remember exactly what was said. Next flash is to when we were close to the museum where the reception was held. I was thinking of how the town looked old and I wouldn't want to live there. Then we parked and we walked into the place. She looked good that night. Then the time we took to tour the museum. flashes go on and on, until we got back to my place after the night was over.

    Why that night is so detailed in my mind I don't know. For other things that have happened, all I have in me is one flash, or none at all. But for the events where I have more recollection, all I need is a single trigger to put me back somewhere on the timeline, and my memory will eventually fill in what I recall before and after that point. Over time new flashes will surface as I come across other sensory triggers that will take me back to stuff that happened to when we were together.

    When trying to figure something out, I take each flash is examine them for underlying themes and patterns to figure out a 'theory'. Like why she and I didn't work. Initial theories are then applied against future flashes, to either validate or disprove it. Enough support and the theory will becomes what i feel is the reason that she and I didn't work. So where I was very unsure immediately following our breakup, and seemed to be all over the place when talking about her and why we split, now I can easily give an answer and put it in fewer words, because I'm sure of what it was.

    How often does this happen to you?

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    Another thing.

    I started this thread more than a month ago and just posted my thoughts recently. This had to be Si related. Since I didn't really know where to 'start'- I didn't want to put some things that were mere memory exercises or some other highly speculative response. I had to sit back and let what I described in the previous post just happen naturally. I couldn't force myself to use my Si to produce an answer; I to kick around what I knew about myself, and what I knew about typology, and pinpoint what exactly was Si and what wasn't. It was this process of building a case that provided a reliable answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Yes. The memory can be so real. I can hear, feel, see things as that's the reality. It doesn't play back like a movie scene for scene, but in flashes. Like the experience with the girlfriend. I think of the construction backup we were in on that road. Next flash- How we had started to get loud and yell at each other, then we got quiet. What we said I don't recall, but there are times when in a flash I can remember exactly what was said. Next flash is to when we were close to the museum where the reception was held. I was thinking of how the town looked old and I wouldn't want to live there. Then we parked and we walked into the place. She looked good that night. Then the time we took to tour the museum. flashes go on and on, until we got back to my place after the night was over.

    Why that night is so detailed in my mind I don't know. For other things that have happened, all I have in me is one flash, or none at all. But for the events where I have more recollection, all I need is a single trigger to put me back somewhere on the timeline, and my memory will eventually fill in what I recall before and after that point. Over time new flashes will surface as I come across other sensory triggers that will take me back to stuff that happened to when we were together.

    When trying to figure something out, I take each flash is examine them for underlying themes and patterns to figure out a 'theory'. Like why she and I didn't work. Initial theories are then applied against future flashes, to either validate or disprove it. Enough support and the theory will becomes what i feel is the reason that she and I didn't work. So where I was very unsure immediately following our breakup, and seemed to be all over the place when talking about her and why we split, now I can easily give an answer and put it in fewer words, because I'm sure of what it was.

    How often does this happen to you?
    This is fascinating. It doesn't happen to me very often. The memories are mostly happy ones. I tend to have somewhat visceral reactions to music anyway and this is one of the added benefits when listening to a song I used to like a lot. It's not something I use to figure anything out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Sherlock Holmes View Post
    Woah! Never been in this forum section before!

    Anyway, as a teriary Si user, I find that Si is used mainly for 2 things.

    1) Storing information! I like to know a lot of info, mostly random trivia and things that interest me. However, unlike an Si dom or aux, I do not remember many practical details.

    2) Staying on the safe side. This and my Ti want to make sure I am prepared for situations and analyse the possiblities. I am always wary in new experiences. The downside is that sometimes I dislike discontinuing old habits or personal traditions (I could hardly care less about the traditions of society though) and habits and have a hard time lettihng go of things that are familiar and liked.
    Yes that's exactly right. The third function tends to be the dominant's b**ch. It's usually very strong in areas that directly serve the purposes of the core, but rarely in anything else, unless you put a lot of work into developing it.

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    Si as a tertiary is weird for me. I find it tends to only half-work. Like I often get this weird feeling where something reminds me of something, I just can't say what". Drives me NUTS! XD But I appreciate it for the fact-mine it gives me and the intense feelings of nostalgia. I don't use tradition as a guide like SJ's do, but old family rituals make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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