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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe View Post
    Well actually, I'll bet that since theorists SEEM overrepresented on forums, I'll guess that people here most often falsly identify as intiution and thinking preferences. (And when I say falsely, I MEAN it. This is why, when I talk about the "types" on this thread, I always say "self-identifying ___s". Really, I think the actual type representation here would be incredibly different from the self-identification)
    I agree... it's funny how the questionnaires and stuff seem to focus on 'profficiency with theory' as a defining N factor - and also funny how that gets equated to intelligence in some people's minds. I have an ISTJ friend who lives and breathes calculus and theoretical physics, and an ISFJ friend who has a degree in Classical philosophy and diplomas in Latin and Greek. They are both definitely Sensors, without a doubt, though, and their behaviour and interaction has Si stamped all over it.
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    My mother is a highly intelligent ISTJ. She has spent her life reading history, archaeology, etc. She even reads encyclopedias. I never had to look anything up when I was a kid. I could always just ask my mother.

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    One other thing, I know a couple of ISFJ's and they're both quite timid things. By ENTP standards, anyway (which, since we're so in-yer-face and uberassertive, doesn't mean much...). They're absolutely averse to any conflict at all, and really don't like confrontations and will shy away from them and go to great lengths avoid them.

    This being an NT dominated board, and NT's being really into arguing and causing trouble for the hell of it, and generally pretty forthright with their opinions, I can imagine many ISFJ's finding it all a bit unnecessarily 'nasty'. Not that I think it really is nasty, but I can imagine the ones I know thinking it is. In the British sense of the word 'nasty' that is, which is closer to when Americans say 'mean' or 'horrid'.

    One of the ISFJ's I know, when I first met her I was at a wedding reception. I was the same drunken, boisterous, loud and obnoxious party animal I always am at those sorts of events, and whilst most people think I'm great fun (and that's why they invite me), it really scared her off. It took me a year, best part of, to sorta coax her round to approaching me and stuff. To start with I thought she just hated me and thought I was stupid or rude or whatever - it really tickled me when I found out it was all because I scared her at that party with how boisterous I can be. So I made a concerted effort after learning that, to 'reach' her and prove that I don't bite.

    I know INT's aren't necessarily boisterous or whatever, but in intellectual terms, on the Internet, I think INT's more than equate to the often larger than life image that ENT's often create in real life.

    And yeah, that might put a lot of ISFJ's off.

    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    One other thing, I know a couple of ISFJ's and they're both quite timid things. By ENTP standards, anyway (which, since we're so in-yer-face and uberassertive, doesn't mean much...). They're absolutely averse to any conflict at all, and really don't like confrontations and will shy away from them and go to great lengths avoid them.

    This being an NT dominated board, and NT's being really into arguing and causing trouble for the hell of it, and generally pretty forthright with their opinions, I can imagine many ISFJ's finding it all a bit unnecessarily 'nasty'. Not that I think it really is nasty, but I can imagine the ones I know thinking it is. In the British sense of the word 'nasty' that is, which is closer to when Americans say 'mean' or 'horrid'.

    One of the ISFJ's I know, when I first met her I was at a wedding reception. I was the same drunken, boisterous, loud and obnoxious party animal I always am at those sorts of events, and whilst most people think I'm great fun (and that's why they invite me), it really scared her off. It took me a year, best part of, to sorta coax her round to approaching me and stuff. To start with I thought she just hated me and thought I was stupid or rude or whatever - it really tickled me when I found out it was all because I scared her at that party with how boisterous I can be. So I made a concerted effort after learning that, to 'reach' her and prove that I don't bite.

    I know INT's aren't necessarily boisterous or whatever, but in intellectual terms, on the Internet, I think INT's more than equate to the often larger than life image that ENT's often create in real life.

    And yeah, that might put a lot of ISFJ's off.

    Just a thought.
    my isfj friends hates arguing more then me and I don't like it too begin with. She's the nicest person I have met, but people walk all over her, and often times don't realize she has really high moral standards. She's not preachy just wants to do the right thing and wishes other people would do the same, but she realizes alot won't. She's so nice, and she listens she's one of my few friends who lets me complain of course I let her do the same. I wish more people were like her. She is never in your face. The few times she has stood up for herself she ended up feeling guilty
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    Yes, I think that's where the whole martyr thing comes from... the one I know puts up with endless amounts of crap from people, especially from her partner, and when she comes to me to blow off steam about it she'll go into detail about how awful he makes her feel, how exhausted she is from running around after him and how depressed she is because of the way he treats her and everything... but when I suggest telling him this, or taking some measure to stop the bad treatment or whatever, her reaction is always that there's some way for her to give him "one more chance", but basically anything to avoid upheaval/conflict.

    She's said to me before that she feels like she's a bad person because people praise her for being long-suffering and patient and compassionate and everything and bearing with people through their faults, but she says it's false martyrdom because it's not so much out of empathy or anything like that, but simple fear of the confrontation and disharmony it'd entail, to assert her rights.

    Anyway, those rather extreme examples aside, it does seem to be a general ISFJ tendency to prefer to avoid spaces where conflict is wont to arise, so... well, there's a lot of 'superficial' conflict on this board (actually just differences of opinion and heated discussions, but it can come across as conflict to some), and sometimes there is genuine conflict. All of this might very well put off some ISFJs.
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    I do with she'd stand up for herself more, I mean she was so stressed last semester because of all the work she had to do, and hadn't really made friends with anyone. She goes to school in Georgia (the state, not the country) and me in Illinois, but we were friends in Highschool. She does tend to inflate my ego because she claims I'm one of the nicest people she has known. I don't think that's true, but whatever. I really like the fact that she listens I find the people I get along with, are usually IxxJs in RL I have gotten along with mild Es and some Ps. But the majority of my friends have been Js. My best friends are an INxJ (not sure if she's a t or an f I think she's an f as she defiently uses fe), INTJ, and ExFJ (though this one sometimes drives me nutty, and I'm trying to work out if she's an N or an S) then this friend ISFJ. Though I did know a very nice ISFP in highschool who made the most beautiful cakes, she's be an excellent pastry chef because she can duplicate a painting exactly in the form of a cake. but the people I tend to really connect with are Js who don't mind so much that I'm messy.

    I've gotten off topic sorry

    But yeah, she's the only ISFJ I've ever gotten to know very well but she does seem to hate conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    ...especially from her partner, and when she comes to me to blow off steam about it she'll go into detail about how awful he makes her feel, how exhausted she is from running around after him and how depressed she is because of the way he treats her and everything... ...
    Just out of curiosity, is she with an ENTP?
    Not that ENTPs are bad or anything - obviously.
    I think they're frequently attracted to each other, but they can be bad for each other.

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    No INTJMom, she's with an ISTJ.

    I've never really had the thought cross my mind about any ISFJ I've ever known, either of being attracted to them or them being attracted to me. I have difficulty imagining myself romantically involved with anyone anyway, in any case, since it's just a side of life that I've sorta electively lobotomized from my consciousness lol But if I were to imagine the ISFJ's I know and think of anything that might attract me, conceivably, it'd be their loyalty and constancy - they don't blow hot and cold one day to the next, you know if they're with you, they're with you to the end. That's a quality that's pretty rare and one I appreciate a great deal.

    But I cannot imagine what they could possibly see in me but an obnoxious egomaniac, from their point of view (and also cos it's partly true lol).
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    I think they're attracted to the confidence ENTPs usually exude.

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    me personally, I am a pretty quiet person but when I see people who are outgoing "extroverted" I find that quite attractive in anybody, I also love watching people being honest with themselves... : )

    Most of the guys I am interested in seem to be extroverted hmmm... donno why?

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