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    Quote Originally Posted by hotmale View Post
    I don't know about ISFJs, but I found ISFPs and ESFJs pretty damn charming and funny!
    Of course you do ESTJ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    If it's any consolation, INFPs seem to have exactly the same weird attraction/repulsion thing towards ISTJs. I suspect that it's unconscious masochism. Or evidence of Malicious Design.
    That seems very strange. But I wouldnt be able to doubt it.

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    Just to drive this conversation back towards academics and bore everyone to tears (!), I will point out the function analysis here:

    INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe
    ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne

    Do you see the startling coincidence?

    Within every INTP (TiNe) lurks an undeveloped ISFJ (SiFe).
    And vice versa.

    I think this is part of the odd attraction/annoyance the two types find with each other. They share all FOUR of their functions, so they can mesh very well by design and also act as a catalyst for the other...

    ... but the other person's strengths are their personal weaknesses and are bound to cause a lot of sparks if both people believe themselves to have a corner of truth and maturity.

    The dynamic for INFP + ISTJ work the same way.
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    Unless one really does have that corner of truth and maturity and both sides concede to this. It's rare, but it's how I managed to remain friends with an ISTJ ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by runvardh View Post
    Unless one really does have that corner of truth and maturity and both sides concede to this. It's rare, but it's how I managed to remain friends with an ISTJ ^_^
    It takes a lot of inner security to concede to an ISTJ, you're a brave kitty!

    (jk, I couldn't resist...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It takes a lot of inner security to concede to an ISTJ, you're a brave kitty!

    (jk, I couldn't resist...)
    LOL, the poor guy was so maladjusted socially I had to take pitty on the poor boy. Didn't help that I could corner him with his own logic and then open a door for him with my own.
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    I don't find ISFJs annoying or hard to take at all, especially not the women. I don't get the aggro about it. There's no big mystery in being attracted to your Senser shadow -- I get along smashingly with ISTPs and ISFPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PinkPiranha View Post
    I don't find ISFJs annoying or hard to take at all, especially not the women. I don't get the aggro about it. There's no big mystery in being attracted to your Senser shadow -- I get along smashingly with ISTPs and ISFPs.
    Yeah, my ISFJ grandmother rocks, I have more fun with my ESFJ grandmother though, ^_^.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Just to drive this conversation back towards academics and bore everyone to tears (!), I will point out the function analysis here:

    INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe
    ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne

    Do you see the startling coincidence?

    Within every INTP (TiNe) lurks an undeveloped ISFJ (SiFe).
    And vice versa.

    I think this is part of the odd attraction/annoyance the two types find with each other. They share all FOUR of their functions, so they can mesh very well by design and also act as a catalyst for the other...

    ... but the other person's strengths are their personal weaknesses and are bound to cause a lot of sparks if both people believe themselves to have a corner of truth and maturity.

    The dynamic for INFP + ISTJ work the same way.

    For ENTP + ISFJ, it's even stronger than INTP + ISFJ. Their functions are opposite each other:

    ISFJ = Si + Fe + Ti + Ne
    ENTP= Ne + Ti + Fe + Si

    And let's not forget the INTP's opposite

    ESFJ = Fe + Si + Ne + Ti
    INTP = Ti + Ne + Si + Fe

    All four types have the same functions, but in different order.

    Even though we should have the closest functioning, I have no friends who are ESFJ. But I have a husband, close friend et al. in the INTP and ENTP groups. Go figure...

    Jae Rae

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    One of my best friends is a female ISFJ and she's a crack-up. Very cosmic. Non-traditional. Not squeamish. Maternal. Up for just about anything.

    All types have their downsides. To butcher the ISFJ type and rehash them as being both hideously repellent AND attractive just sounds a little sick to me. They aren't like staring at roadkill, for heavens' sake.

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