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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Spade View Post
    Are you offering yourself to us?
    I'm asking you if you enjoy it in the culo. Message that prostate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by avolkiteshvara View Post
    I'm asking you if you enjoy it in the culo. Message that prostate.
    I haven't partaken in that dalliance as of yet, but I'm sure an intellectually superior NT like yourself could enlighten all of us tight-assed (both figuratively AND literally) SJs.
    "Knights had no meaning in this game. It wasn't a game for knights."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Spade View Post
    I haven't partaken in that dalliance as of yet, but I'm sure an intellectually superior NT like yourself could enlighten all of us tight-assed (both figuratively AND literally) SJs.
    Well first you have to remove any obstacles that could be in the way. So for example........if you happened to have a stick up your ass, you'd probably want to pull that out first.

    Then we'd have to read a manual by Kinsey to determine with the exact girth of shaft to be used and the proper grade of astro-glide.

    However, make sure you aren't in Texas when attempting this. I don't believe it isn't a legally sanctioned activity within certain Texas counties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    ... The ISTJ, more conservative than most, will obey the rules so that they are not punished or face getting fired. They may be disgruntled, and complain, but that's probably about how far it will go...
    Yep, one of my brothers is definitely an ISTJ.

    Ok, one more question...
    How does this general 'follow the rules' mindset translate to relationships? Do you tend toward appeasing your friends and significant other when it's possible to do so?

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    The more traditional ISTJs might play along, but I think a lot of those rules of romance are stupid, unless they mean something to either party....for instance, candy and cards are not romantic to me. Valentines day is not romantic- you are dictating to me when I should show love to my girl...I'd rather do that more frequently, and not do V day, and have her not care, because she's getting what she needs and doesn't need that day.

    I can't stand when a girl tells me she's expecting something 'because that's what a guy's supposed to do', or 'everybody else does this'. Who cares?! I'm not everybody else, and if that's the reason you want it done, I'll probably not do it based on that alone. Yeah it sounds cold, but that's how I think. I like good, personal reasons behind requests. I respect them more.

    Friends are the same......there is give and take in relationships, so you can't always have your way if you want something to work. I'm a loyal guy to my friends as well...once I entrust you as a friend, you get special privleges, things I'll do for you that I probably won't do with family. Even if you burn me once, I'll probably forgive you, but if it happens too much after that I'll cut you.

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    ^Gottcha. What if the rules aren't specifically societal, but are more akin to expectations a specific person puts on you? (Assume for this question that you've already established a decent relationship with the person; they are not a new acquaintance.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    The more traditional ISTJs might play along, but I think a lot of those rules of romance are stupid, unless they mean something to either party....for instance, candy and cards are not romantic to me. Valentines day is not romantic- you are dictating to me when I should show love to my girl...I'd rather do that more frequently, and not do V day, and have her not care, because she's getting what she needs and doesn't need that day.

    I can't stand when a girl tells me she's expecting something 'because that's what a guy's supposed to do', or 'everybody else does this'. Who cares?! I'm not everybody else, and if that's the reason you want it done, I'll probably not do it based on that alone. Yeah it sounds cold, but that's how I think. I like good, personal reasons behind requests. I respect them more.

    Friends are the same......there is give and take in relationships, so you can't always have your way if you want something to work. I'm a loyal guy to my friends as well...once I entrust you as a friend, you get special privleges, things I'll do for you that I probably won't do with family. Even if you burn me once, I'll probably forgive you, but if it happens too much after that I'll cut you.

    I personally like valentine's day a lot. It's just a fun thing to do. It's like a special fun event in first grade, but glorified 15 years later. I'll throw analyzing it to the wind and just enjoy the experience with the person I care about. I can do things throughout the year to reinforce how much I care about them.

    I get to go out to dinner and do special stuff with a girl that I adore, while other people are doing the same and there are decorations everywhere to make it lively? Yes, please. It's just a fun game.

    I'm more about doing something just for the sake of gaining the experience, to be able to say, "I did it." I mean, yeah, you can analyze Valentine's Day and it makes sense to say that its fucked up because of hallmark and bullshit, but I don't give a damn. The fact that I get all perky seeing hearts around stores and romantic cards in the beginning of February does not get changed by a simple analysis.

    Now, actual day to day things that "guys just do." Yeah, fuck that. I'll analyze it. I'm going out of my way for something society is throwing on me that does not coincide with how I would act with my woman. I'll do whatever my heart tells me to do to let her know how much I adore and admire her. A lot of shit is situational.


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    Those are very enlightening responses so far. Thanks.

    I too am amazed at how many of you didn't seem to fit in or were very lonely during adolescence. Must be the Te vs Fe factor?

    A few more questions (pre-formatted for your pleasure):
    How comfortable are you with emotional expression (from yourself and others)?

    What do you do in your spare time? What sort of hobbies do you have?

    In your personal opinion or experience, what is the greatest difference between you and xSFJs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bri View Post
    ^Gottcha. What if the rules aren't specifically societal, but are more akin to expectations a specific person puts on you? (Assume for this question that you've already established a decent relationship with the person; they are not a new acquaintance.)
    I'm trying to think of an instance where this came into play, and I think I have one....I think it's a case by case basis...there's no blanket answer for that. It would definitely be a weighing between what I feel is essential to my core as a person, my integrity, to a sense, and trying to maintain a decent relationship with this person. If it doesn't violate what's centrally important to me (this varies from person to person), then I'd be more willing to put up with it.

    If the request is essential to them, and they can't seem to proceed without it, then I am willing to put our friendship to an end. At the end of the day I can't feel like I'm selling myself out.

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    How comfortable are you with emotional expression (from yourself and others)?

    I feel wierd! Like most Ts, emotional expression does not come easy. I'd rather show you how I feel over saying it..... Saying "I Love you" is so hard, and I must be really feeling some type of way for me to initiate that exchange.

    I can't take too much emotional expression. If a person gets too emotional, I will withdraw from the situation. If I can't do it physically, believe me my mind has checked out. Sometimes it's smothering.

    I have a buddy I really believe is an ISFJ...the guy is so sensitive, where I come from, a punch and a wisecrack is how I'd show I care. This guy doesn't mind embraces and things like that. And he's not gay! LOL. He's a good hearted guy.

    What do you do in your spare time? What sort of hobbies do you have?

    In my spare time, I like to play sports, workout, and read, and do a little TV watching. I'm an I but eventually I have to have some human contact, most preferably a few people as opposed to 100.

    Do people have hobbies anymore? I guess working on my house is a hobby? Because I do that when I can. I guess I like to work with my hands and do/create things to my speicifications. I wish I had the time to do more of this. Sometimes I want things done now and I have to shell out the $$$ for this.

    In your personal opinion or experience, what is the greatest difference between you and xSFJs?

    I think SFJs are nicer in a sense...they laugh a lot. It seems like for them Fe is this desire to not offend anybody. They are very mannerly, and sometimes too nice.....almost to the point that they could be considered a doormat to some, and actually allow it to happen. Overall, It seems they care more than an xSTJ would, which is great, because I have learned alot from my ISFJ buddy, but it could cause them to be used.

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