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    Quote Originally Posted by tkae. View Post
    How do you handle rebellion against the institution with which you align yourself?

    (i.e. a new employee trying to undo your workplace's current political structure in order to establish a more relaxed, informal atmosphere?)
    I would need to know more about the whole context to know if this is the right thing to do in the long-term. If you are a new employee then you probably don't have the power base and influence to have enough of a following to implement the change.

    Quote Originally Posted by tkae. View Post
    Also, as a more open-ended question:

    How do view/handle rebellion/rebelliousness?
    It depends on if the reasons for rebellion are rational or not. If I think it's a necessary and correct response to the situation, then I would rebel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    You sounded too intuitive. "I envision how events will develop." That's Ni, not Si. I hardly believe you are an ISTJ, because of how articulate you are. Usually INTJs know they are INTJs.
    That's Ne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbah View Post
    I would need to know more about the whole context to know if this is the right thing to do in the long-term. If you are a new employee then you probably don't have the power base and influence to have enough of a following to implement the change.



    It depends on if the reasons for rebellion are rational or not. If I think it's a necessary and correct response to the situation, then I would rebel.
    In that specific example, I'd join them right along.

    I'm more about the reasons. If it's for something that I think is beneficial, then go for it. But if it's just about you, then I'd have a problem.

    Rebellion is necessary sometimes. There's a right and a wrong way to do it, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    You sounded too intuitive. "I envision how events will develop." That's Ni, not Si. I hardly believe you are an ISTJ, because of how articulate you are. Usually INTJs know they are INTJs.
    I know. But, being mentally and/or emotionally unhealthy (as I have been for this time) leads to a wrong perception of yourself.

    Now I know which are my real strengths and weaknesses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    That's Ne.
    Ne envisions possibilities about how events could unfold. Ne users rarely state with complete certainty that an event will unfold in a certain way -- unless they're stuck in a Ne-Je loop, in which case they make one pronouncement with absolute certainty, and a minute later state the opposite with equal certainty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksei View Post
    Ne envisions possibilities about how events could unfold. Ne users rarely state with complete certainty that an event will unfold in a certain way -- unless they're stuck in a Ne-Je loop, in which case they make one pronouncement with absolute certainty, and a minute later state the opposite with equal certainty.
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    Originally Posted by raz
    You sounded too intuitive. "I envision how events will develop." That's Ni, not Si. I hardly believe you are an ISTJ, because of how articulate you are. Usually INTJs know they are INTJs.

    That's Ne.
    So are you getting stuck on the 'will' in his statement? Otherwise your definition of Ne fits what he said.

    Thanks.

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    Both Ni and Ne are future-focused.

    Ni is about certainity (how things will be), while Ne is about possibilities (how things could, or are likely to, be).

    I choose the first approach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    So are you getting stuck on the 'will' in his statement? Otherwise your definition of Ne fits what he said.



    Thanks.
    The "will" part of that statement is important, as it is essentially the single most noticeable distinction between Ni and Ne. From what I know of her, Cecilia tends to dislike brainstorming, which means she's either an Ni user, or has a very weak inferior Ne. The latter doesn't fit the above statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donna Cecilia View Post
    "iNfluence", yes. Maybe being here has hepled me to get back into my healthy self.

    I started taking MBTI tests six years ago, when I was going through a depressive cycle, which is ending now.
    No wonder you sounded so different than the ISTJ I know.

    So, you think you might be INTJ? Come, come to the dark side . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donna Cecilia View Post
    Both Ni and Ne are future-focused.

    Ni is about certainity (how things will be), while Ne is about possibilities (how things could, or are likely to, be).

    I choose the first approach.

    That's perception in general, yes? Ni is internally focused, i.e. making random connections in order to conclude on outcome, while Ne is external. Si's the same way, except it's looking for connections based on past experience, to conclude the outcome.

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