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    And I'm not one of those guys who can talk sports all day. I get tired of talking about stats, who is the best, and all of that. Mabye back and forth for 2 minutes, but after that it's on to the next for me.

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    Thanks for your responses! I was just wondering if maybe ISTJs felt compelled to be physically active for their mental/emotional well-being. Maybe that doesn't relate to type. And obviously organized sports isn't the only way to do that. But I was wondering if organized sports are particularly appealing to ISTJs.

    As far as greeting cards I was curious if ISTJs saw them as superfluous and unnecessary.

    So thanks for the feedback.
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    Sports = too much Se for me. Too many split-second reactions to handle at once. Also, getting involved in the "friendly" competition of physical sports often leads me to...feel defensive and angry at them, as if they're picking on me. It's a weird reaction, and I'm not sure how to explain it. I've seen it happen to other people, too, so at least I'm not the only one.

    Going to stadium games rubs me the wrong way as well. Thousands of people crowded together, expecting you to act a certain way and do certain things, and laughing at you as a weirdo if you don't...

    So that sounds kind of cranky. Those are just my bad moments, and sports and I don't much get along.

    Greetings cards can be okay, but I like them to be personal. Otherwise, they are a waste, almost a lie: They have to be genuine to be good, in my book. Sending a Thank-You card to someone because they attended a graduation, even though I don't really know or care much for the person, is dishonest and forced.
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    It seems ISTJs have quite strong emotions. Would you guys say that they are invoked in moments of nostalgia? Times when people are particularly charitable to you? Sad stories?

    How inclined towards theoretical discussion are ISTJs? (I made a thread but I think it got deleted.) Like, if you really cared about the person and they were always bringing up philosophical discussions and speculations and the like, how would you respond? Would you find it an interesting change of pace or somewhat tiresome?

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    What makes you decide to pursue someone romantically?

    I've had the experience of ISTJs deciding we were a good match (on paper...?) and doggedly hunting me down and sinking their teeth in like a pitbull, refusing to let go even as I ran. What causes such a strong determination? Is it because the facts don't lie?

    I've also had the feeling of being watched by ISTJs, as if they were gathering data about me to decide if they wanted to begin the chase. Is this an accurate estimation?

    Or rather, I am not asking you to explain those individual's behaviors so much as discuss if you have any trace of them and how that may relate to your type.

    And what is your reaction to INFPs? I notice some like me immediately, quirks & all. Others just find me an enigma and steer clear.
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    I am starting to think my older boy (13) is an ISTJ. I often feel bad for him because his dad, his three siblings, and I all appear to be INs. It's like he's being raised by wolves or something.

    He doesn't like to learn just for the sake of learning. He will learn all kinds of detailed stuff and remember it all if it has a practical application (video games for instance), but if it doesn't, then it has no value.

    He doesn't want to go anywhere or do anything like go to see a movie or just hang out. He wants to stay home and play video games.

    He does pretty well in school because he's smart and he usually likes to complete things once he's started them.

    Following rules is important to him. He tries to make sure that he knows the rules and he likes to point out when other people are not following the rules.

    His sense of humor is really goofy and he often doesn't know when to quit once he gets going.

    He needles people, won't stop when asked, then gets his feelings hurt when they get angry with him.

    He is a little Eeorish, but very even tempered. It is very, very rare that he loses his temper.

    He has trouble accepting the opinions of others as being valid if they differ from his own.

    He is a good boy, liked at school by both students and teachers. He will complain, argue, and try to distract me, but is otherwise pretty obedient (all of our kids are, actually).

    Anyway, I feel as though I am not parenting him the way he needs to be parented, but I don't know what I need to do differently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I am starting to think my older boy (13) is an ISTJ. I often feel bad for him because his dad, his three siblings, and I all appear to be INs. It's like he's being raised by wolves or something.

    He doesn't like to learn just for the sake of learning. He will learn all kinds of detailed stuff and remember it all if it has a practical application (video games for instance), but if it doesn't, then it has no value.

    He doesn't want to go anywhere or do anything like go to see a movie or just hang out. He wants to stay home and play video games.

    He does pretty well in school because he's smart and he usually likes to complete things once he's started them.

    Following rules is important to him. He tries to make sure that he knows the rules and he likes to point out when other people are not following the rules.

    His sense of humor is really goofy and he often doesn't know when to quit once he gets going.

    He needles people, won't stop when asked, then gets his feelings hurt when they get angry with him.

    He is a little Eeorish, but very even tempered. It is very, very rare that he loses his temper.

    He has trouble accepting the opinions of others as being valid if they differ from his own.

    He is a good boy, liked at school by both students and teachers. He will complain, argue, and try to distract me, but is otherwise pretty obedient (all of our kids are, actually).

    Anyway, I feel as though I am not parenting him the way he needs to be parented, but I don't know what I need to do differently.

    Suggestions for parenting a late-blooming ISTJ 13 y/o boy being raised among crazy INs (if that is actually his type)?
    If I were 13, and I were able to describe the perfect parent, I'd say:

    Be approachable, but not overbearing. The more overbearing you are, the less approachable and trustable you are.

    Let me know what's expected of me, but be understanding of natural things that I'll want or need to take part in. I want to know my boundaries, but I don't want to feel confined when I have an urge to do something less respectable.

    When telling me what to do, or what's expected of me, only supply information and options. I highly value my ability to sift through information and make my own decisions. I got into a fight with my ESFP brother over this when buying a phone. He wanted to go into salesperson mode when all I wanted to know were my options in a "cold, calculating" fashion, so that I could make my own decision swiftly and end the decision making process.

    Respect my ability to quickly learn methods and technical things. Most of the time, I just want to be taught how to do something, not patronized for the whole, "it's a mother's role to do this job," such as chores, or anything.

    If I ask a lot of questions about something, please listen. I always want information first about something that's happening. If I'm dissecting the crap out of something, and I'm expecting you to partake in the dissecting, at least listen or offer your knowledge, do not tell me to stop over-analyzing. Odds are, I'm sincere about the dissecting.


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    Raz's ideas are great!

    When telling me what to do, or what's expected of me, only supply information and options. I highly value my ability to sift through information and make my own decisions. I got into a fight with my ESFP brother over this when buying a phone. He wanted to go into salesperson mode when all I wanted to know were my options in a "cold, calculating" fashion, so that I could make my own decision swiftly and end the decision making process.
    Agree here. I'd rather get factual information and options; only if I ask for your opinion will I ask.


    Respect my ability to quickly learn methods and technical things. Most of the time, I just want to be taught how to do something, not patronized for the whole, "it's a mother's role to do this job," such as chores, or anything.
    I'll say here that some, not all instances, I'll want the how. But there are other times I'll want the why as well as the how- to help me see if there's another (read: better) way to do it.

    If I ask a lot of questions about something, please listen. I always want information first about something that's happening. If I'm dissecting the crap out of something, and I'm expecting you to partake in the dissecting, at least listen or offer your knowledge, do not tell me to stop over-analyzing. Odds are, I'm sincere about the dissecting.
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    During my teenage years, I became withdrawn because I seemed to irriate people with my questions and desire to really sink into the depths of something. My older brother and father I feel are ISTJs, but my other sibs are not- so sometimes I felt like an outcast. I got over that as I got older and got some experience outside of my large family. It's funny how we have come full circle. I love hanging with my sibs now.
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    How do you get an ISTJ to become interested in MB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by StoryToTell View Post
    It seems ISTJs have quite strong emotions. Would you guys say that they are invoked in moments of nostalgia? Times when people are particularly charitable to you? Sad stories?

    How inclined towards theoretical discussion are ISTJs? (I made a thread but I think it got deleted.) Like, if you really cared about the person and they were always bringing up philosophical discussions and speculations and the like, how would you respond? Would you find it an interesting change of pace or somewhat tiresome?
    I do have strong emotions....it's either all or nothing with them. Woe is me.

    They aren't just limited to those times. I notice that as I get older, I'm more apt to be emotionally affected by things. Not extreme, and if you were right next to me you'd probably not notice, but I get a feeling sometimes, esp when there's bad news or a sad story and there are 2 or more senses involved (i.e. hearing a story on TV and seeing some graphic images).

    I remember your thread, and it did get deleted by when the site went down the other afternoon. I'd say if your guy liked a certain theory, he'd read up on it and know it well. He might not be open to other theories, or feel the need to beat it to death. I think I'm like that. I like MBTI, but sometimes the theory talk goes in so many directions I begin to lose interest. It's like everyone's talking a lot of speculation, but nothing concrete.

    So if you are discussing the particular theory, he's probably responsive. But the minute it starts to bounce all over the place, he's likely to lose interest. He can love you, but to talk random theory can be a burden on him.

    I remember reading your thread and you sounded disappointed that he could be ISTJ. Is that the case?

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