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    I don't wear ISTJ as my true type. I wear me as my true type. ISTJ just classifies my thought processes into something more readily accessible and understandable.

    In about 80% of my life, I put the outer situation at a higher priority than my own feelings. This is very general, but it crosses into career, school, among other things. At work, I rarely take things personally because I make it my priority to follow the rules of the situation and allow myself to follow the situation. Objectivity and clear-headed thinking are my preferred ways of doing things. It's not because it works best, but because it feels good and it's what I understand the easiest. There are other ways to do things, but I don't understand them easily, so I stick to what I do understand.....logic.

    I say fuck it to work. Working for the sake of work just plain stupid. I enjoy work because it's directly verifiable productivity. Does it mean I want to devote my life to work? NO. It's just that that part of my life provides fulfillment where other people don't see it. I admire the executive lifestyle and I want to live it. That's the ISTJ in me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by uumlau View Post
    IxTJ has very weak Fe, and only a mildly strong Fi, if that. The key part you're wondering about is the S or the N. You have, however, already determined the most vital aspect of his personality: he is a jerk.

    To a degree, xxTJs are "more likely to be jerks" but not in the way you might think. xxTJs are more likely to unintentionally be jerks, do to social cluelessness (low Fe).

    As for S vs N, there really isn't enough information, here. I don't think an INTJ would be quite so preoccupied with sports, but it's not unheard of. For S vs N, it's in the small things. When you spoke with him, did it feel like he was always right there with you, or did he seem to live "in his head"? That would be the main clue. Did he notice/remember really small details? Did he daydream a lot?

    That should get you started. Just remember that N or S, "JERK" is its own type, not an MBTI type.
    I don't think being mean was something he wanted to be, he always referred to himself as a nice guy. I think he was just very stubborn and arrogant

    and as for being there with me vs. in his head... he was more concrete than I was, but I was ALWAYS somewhere else. My S is invisible at best. For example at new years eve we kissed under the fireworks at the city and I was all this is sooo romantic, look at the pretty colors and he was like... yeah, yeah... kinda distant. mostly he just seemed indifferent.

    He didn't notice details very much at all unless it involved facebook stalking me, but im pretty sure CRAZY is its own type too

    yeah he didn't seem to care about details, despite my lack of detailing, I was always editing his papers myself. I had to tell him his outfits matched. and he judged me for being a brand-name clothing whore, but definitely prided himself on his own wealth...

    He seemed indifferent to rules, I know SJ's love them, right? but he is definitely a highly expressed judging personality and thought things like being late to class was rude and silly.... and he was pretty much the anti-dreamer. He did like the tangible, sports (watching more than playing), video games talk radio, but then again he like loved political theory, and religious theory... not that he was religious himself.


    any more thoughts?

    I'm so curiousssss.
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    Perceiving (P) 74.19% Judging (J) 25.81%


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi_xo View Post
    I don't think being mean was something he wanted to be, he always referred to himself as a nice guy. I think he was just very stubborn and arrogant

    and as for being there with me vs. in his head... he was more concrete than I was, but I was ALWAYS somewhere else. My S is invisible at best. For example at new years eve we kissed under the fireworks at the city and I was all this is sooo romantic, look at the pretty colors and he was like... yeah, yeah... kinda distant. mostly he just seemed indifferent.

    He didn't notice details very much at all unless it involved facebook stalking me, but im pretty sure CRAZY is its own type too

    yeah he didn't seem to care about details, despite my lack of detailing, I was always editing his papers myself. I had to tell him his outfits matched. and he judged me for being a brand-name clothing whore, but definitely prided himself on his own wealth...

    He seemed indifferent to rules, I know SJ's love them, right? but he is definitely a highly expressed judging personality and thought things like being late to class was rude and silly.... and he was pretty much the anti-dreamer. He did like the tangible, sports (watching more than playing), video games talk radio, but then again he like loved political theory, and religious theory... not that he was religious himself.


    any more thoughts?

    I'm so curiousssss.
    Balanced S/N. Any xTJ male could just as well ignore all the fireworks and stars and stuff, since they aren't strong with the touchy feely aspects. He sounds like he has aspects of both typical types.

    SJs are not stickler for rules in all cases- this is usually taken extremely out of context. They do, however, hold close to whatever they perceive as 'the way'- and that is usually based on concrete evidence. That's why I asked about his background and how women are/were viewed during his youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Balanced S/N. Any xTJ male could just as well ignore all the fireworks and stars and stuff, since they aren't strong with the touchy feely aspects. He sounds like he has aspects of both typical types.

    SJs are not stickler for rules in all cases- this is usually taken extremely out of context. They do, however, hold close to whatever they perceive as 'the way'- and that is usually based on concrete evidence. That's why I asked about his background and how women are/were viewed during his youth.

    his background is well... he's a finance/accounting/business major. he doesnt mind details, but he prefers theories. if this matters: he's well off and thinks this makes him better than everyone else. perhaps these are his own values, and his own 'way".

    He hated when people didn't agree with him. and would assume they were stupid. close minded is my word of choice for this delightful fellow.

    he was a bit of a romantic tbh, got texts like "Hows the most beautiful girl in the world doing?"

    but was also easily put off, judgemental, and cold after the first few months.

    he could be either type. I think if I had to guess, I'd say an intuitive ISTJ. are either types more known for being secretive and private and? or is this just an I thing?



    i might be generalizing.
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    Extroverted (E) 65.63% Introverted (I) 34.38%
    Intuitive (N) 89.31% Sensing (S) 10.69%
    Feeling (F) 74.29% Thinking (T) 25.71%
    Perceiving (P) 74.19% Judging (J) 25.81%


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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi_xo View Post
    his background is well... he's a finance/accounting/business major. he doesnt mind details, but he prefers theories. if this matters: he's well off and thinks this makes him better than everyone else. perhaps these are his own values, and his own 'way".

    He hated when people didn't agree with him. and would assume they were stupid. close minded is my word of choice for this delightful fellow.

    he was a bit of a romantic tbh, got texts like "Hows the most beautiful girl in the world doing?"

    but was also easily put off, judgemental, and cold after the first few months.

    he could be either type. I think if I had to guess, I'd say an intuitive ISTJ. are either types more known for being secretive and private and? or is this just an I thing?



    i might be generalizing.
    S vs N is the hardest thing to determine when typing someone. I usually start off assuming N (even though it's rare), and switch to S once it's clear my intuitive-style communications aren't working.

    He could have been an INTJ jerk or an ISTJ jerk. TJ has the FP working behind the scenes, and can be sentimental, but it's "tertiary Fi" which takes a while to mature. I suspect that the best you can do is read up on both INTJ and ISTJ and see which best jibes with your memories. Focus on the flaws, not the strengths. The flaws are usually more specific, in these things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Remember this show?

    Oh yeah, I remember. Wasn't she super helpful and sweet though? Maybe more what ISFJs would be if they were robots.
    the shoheen ho of the wind of the west and the lulla lo of the soft sea billow - Alfred Graves

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I think the combination of his type, which is still clearly not defined by your descriptions, AND his cultural background. Have you and he discussed how women were considered in his culture and background? That could be it too.
    Well i had previously thought he may be intj but i am very new to this and havn't been looking at all types etc
    Someone else pointed out he was very istj and once he knew i was conversing about him and his type he retook the test (he had done previously but i couldn't remember his results)

    He is very S
    Introverted (I) 56.25% Extroverted (E) 43.75%
    Sensing (S) 71.43% Intuitive (N) 28.57%
    Thinking (T) 56.41% Feeling (F) 43.59%
    Judging (J) 75.76% Perceiving (P) 24.24%

    I would also say he is more introverted than his result shows, much more.



    I am pretty polar opposite on S/N and J/P and obviously our types are opposite already.

    Extroverted (E) 72.22% Introverted (I) 27.78%
    Intuitive (N) 78.79% Sensing (S) 21.21%
    Feeling (F) 87.1% Thinking (T) 12.9%
    Perceiving (P) 79.31% Judging (J) 20.69%

    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    Like mentioned in the previous post, an IXTJ has weak Fi and an even weaker Fe. If he hasn't had it in practice thus far in life, now it is manifesting itself.
    I'm still getting to grips with the functions so i'm not quite sure what this means.

    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    One thing you did say up there, in that last paragraph, is that he 'doesn't like to give up on anything'. That an S trait. He might be an ISTJ, but he isn't an extreme S.
    He has other traits too, he talks about things in percentages all the time, he likes to talk face to face to read expression and body language. He does not like to chat on the phone or email he likes to see people. He likes facts and figures, prefers to read non fiction, hates sci fi, rates sucess on material gain etc etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    I agree with uumlau, based on your situation, it's less of the S/N devide, and more of the regard his feelings and yours, Fi & Fe. At age 33, it's now or never for him to change his ways.
    Yes i do believe it is now or never. I want our relationship to work well, at the moment it does work but we are very stuck on certain things. Yes i think culturaly there are differences that play a part. For an Iranian he is very liberal and very into equal rights but for a westener he is very conservative and (to me) very sexist. These things cause problems as i am a feminist (into equal rights for women AND men, not a radical) and very liberal.
    We do find common ground and can really bounce ideas off each other, we also connect on many other levels and can have a good laugh together. Although as you mentioned befor about ISTJ's, he's not very emotional. Infact if he raises his voice i have to surpress a giggle because it sounds so unatural like he thinks the situation warrants it but he's not comfortable doing it. I think he has raised his voice (never ever shouted) maybe two or three times in the 2 1/2 years we have been together.
    "We knew he was someone who had a tragic flaw, that's where his greatness came from"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi_xo View Post
    his background is well... he's a finance/accounting/business major. he doesnt mind details, but he prefers theories. if this matters: he's well off and thinks this makes him better than everyone else. perhaps these are his own values, and his own 'way".

    He hated when people didn't agree with him. and would assume they were stupid. close minded is my word of choice for this delightful fellow.

    he was a bit of a romantic tbh, got texts like "Hows the most beautiful girl in the world doing?"

    but was also easily put off, judgemental, and cold after the first few months.

    he could be either type. I think if I had to guess, I'd say an intuitive ISTJ. are either types more known for being secretive and private and? or is this just an I thing?



    i might be generalizing.
    sounds vaguely like an ENFJ ex of mine, if you added in "conviction that he is more sensitive, more in touch and more aesthetically appreciative than anyone else"

    basically, I'm agreeing with the assessment JERK... unfortunatly, JERK knows no MBTI type and they give people an impression that people of that type are ALL assholes...

    funny thing is, if you find a nice IxTJ you'd probably be perfectly happy with him!
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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    funny thing is, if you find a nice IxTJ you'd probably be perfectly happy with him!
    As an ENFP? From my observations the only J suited for ENFPs is INFJ. And the only Ps are NPs.

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    lol... I have an ENFP friend who's married to an ISTJ and has been for the past 20 years... they're quite happy together!

    I think that ExxP and IxxJ go well, but the middle part is just up to personal preference and chance!
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