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    Default Are ISFJs the better INFJs ?

    I've been lurking around the NF forums for quite some time now and I have been searching there for someone to help me with my personal problems, like for example psychologists help. I tho have a misfit way of speaking about my things, which didnt get noticed with any of the psychics over there (except for one or two enfps, who really have a knack for such things).

    Instead I met arrogance, abusive behaviour, the occasional bragging about them being like god, when it comes to their abilities or sheer ignorance.

    So I came to think: An ISFJ, who types her-/himself that way from the start and who doesnt even assume for the slightest moment that he is special in any way, because she or he for example never achieved anything special so far (which would be prolly the case with 90% of the Ns), isnt she or he much more down-to-earth and more realistic + able to look at the world from an (as much as that is possible) objective point of view and to give people real world advice and help, cause he isnt blinded by his own ego ?

    I dont want to discredit all of the INFJs over there, but I am still refering to around 90%.

    Any thoughts ?
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    Someone who types themselves as ISFJ might very well be more humble. It takes a lot of humility to type yourself as S, because S appears to be so common and dull in the MBTI descriptions.

    INFJs can be pretty arrogant, I admit.

    ISFJs do have the same level of concern, and are more likely to pick up on the meaning of details.

    I'd say INFJs are probably more in tune with group behavior, while ISFJs might be more in tune with individual behavior (Big picture vs. Detailed picture). So the common image of INFJs as being good psychologists might be flawed... we might be better at group psychology or sociology than the one-on-one kind.
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    Fair answer + a good new thought I havent had so far.

    Group dynamics... That was and is always the least intresting thing to me there is. I even do get angry at people, who see an individual person only as a result of a larger group.

    Maybe you got the solution to my position and problem in dealing with some of the guys here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I've been lurking around the NF forums for quite some time now and I have been searching there for someone to help me with my personal problems, like for example psychologists help. I tho have a misfit way of speaking about my things, which didnt get noticed with any of the psychics over there (except for one or two enfps, who really have a knack for such things).

    Instead I met arrogance, abusive behaviour, the occasional bragging about them being like god, when it comes to their abilities or sheer ignorance.

    So I came to think: An ISFJ, who types her-/himself that way from the start and who doesnt even assume for the slightest moment that he is special in any way, because she or he for example never achieved anything special so far (which would be prolly the case with 90% of the Ns), isnt she or he much more down-to-earth and more realistic + able to look at the world from an (as much as that is possible) objective point of view and to give people real world advice and help, cause he isnt blinded by his own ego ?

    I dont want to discredit all of the INFJs over there, but I am still refering to around 90%.

    Any thoughts ?
    I can agree that some INFJs may seem arrogant in believing their beliefs or inclinations are infallible. I don't really know any, besides myself. I think this type is kind of a mixed bag for some.

    Did you have a bad experience with an INFJ or is this based off of people on the forum?

    I'll just say that I know I don't have a high ego and sometimes I wish I had less Ni and could be able to do more practical things. I am pretty much on the border between I and E( have a very slight preference for I) and exhibit many characteristics of extroversion, but I think the arrogance might come from those who are very introverted INFJs because they never get out of their head and apply their beliefs to the world to actually see if they have any worth or realistic applications/results.

    Also, your comment on group dynamics: this is another thing very introverted INFJs fall prey to...they can tend to forget to see humans and only this sense of a "group" or generalizing. They then take their theories/beliefs too far without actually testing it in the real world. INXXs tend to have this problem. They undervalue or don't value experience at all. A very ,very interesting thing to consider...thank you for your questions, they have helped me to see the problems of extreme introversion in a new light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    I can agree that some INFJs may seem arrogant in believing their beliefs or inclinations are infallible. I don't really know any, besides myself. I think this type is kind of a mixed bag for some.

    Did you have a bad experience with an INFJ or is this based off of people on the forum?

    I'll just say that I know I don't have a high ego and sometimes I wish I had less Ni and could be able to do more practical things. I am pretty much on the border between I and E( have a very slight preference for I) and exhibit many characteristics of extroversion, but I think the arrogance might come from those who are very introverted INFJs because they never get out of their head and apply their beliefs to the world to actually see if they have any worth.
    Good point. Or that they are too young to have any experince in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrygirl View Post
    Good point. Or that they are too young to have any experince in the world.
    Yeah, that too. I used to be a bit endanger of claiming truth before experience, but I have always tried to actively apply my beliefs in the world, and gauge a certain amount of validity of my beliefs from the experience/results of their application. I think this is something INXXs tend to forget to do very often and it leads them to have mental disturbances among other things.

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    Yes ISFJ's are better bother them. As an INFJ I have no shortage of selfish people looking to use me to solve their problems for them. No love loss. we live for equality and parity, not to fix your problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    They undervalue or don't value experience at all.
    This is very true of me. I often don't value experience at all, and find it frustrating that other people place so much value on it.

    That's not to say I have no experience, though. Just that I value ideas more.

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    I am quite happy about not being your counselor, even if we had sensed a problem, doesn't mean INFJs would suddenly flock to help you. I do hope you are okay, but you are not someone I know directly and therefore am less willing to take on the burden of trying to provide good advice and support and then if I do something wrong, you or whoever I am trying to help get pissed off at me.

    However you are right that INFJs have a higher chance of being egotistical on this site as we are talking about MBTI which has an overly favorable profile of INFJS. Secondly, we are individuals not a profile, and please treat everyone as such. I no longer talk of MBTI offline because of one such occurrence in which I had a friend who after reading a profile of INFJ changed her opinion of me. I am a good person, but in the few minutes she took to read the profile apparently I became angelic, which annoys me as instead of seeing me as I am she now see me as my type.......... For me the person who helped me the most in my life was an ISTJ, not even an F, so just trying finding a friend you can trust is all I can say.

    Nonetheless, SJs are awesome and deserve better compliments and fewer insults from this site. (Still I will judge individuals as individuals though)

    Sorry entropie, if this was unhelpful, but those who have answered are trying to help, even if it is unhelpful.
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    Thanks for your input. (Except for the input from the nude guy, who someone needs to tell that way he never get chicks ).

    Basically I am the most afraid of loosing my mind. And a sentence like for example: "I cant do more practical things, cause of my Ni" would to me be the 1st step on the road of loosing my mind, cause fact is everyone can do practical stuff and if one cant it cant be tracked down that easily like to say: "I cant do it cause I dream too much around". Most of the times not being able to do practical stuff comes from no practice or because one hasnt seen the need for certain things yet and therefore isnt in the mindset to do it.

    Well that's a bad example but my general idea is: I dont think all these generalizations like you are an INFJ or you use your Ni too much will bring us anywhere. I cant say why I feel that way, it's a feeling that maybe comes from a thing one could call experience. And the general idea behind it was: when I for example ask a personal query about something in which I dont referance mbti at all, I am looking for someone to give me a personal answer aswell. But instead people use mbti terms to explain my issue and I just cant work with that. And after that I get angry and start to get them out of their hideout in mbti and of course this doesnt work. So communication leads to frustration.

    I dont know what you all want to accomplish in life and for the sake of that I do of course appreciate different approaches to it, but for the sake of my mental health, I need to stay away from certain topics by certain people on this board or otherwise I become like them.
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