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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    There is nothing wrong with giving it your best shot .. As a suppporter, i also want to help people fix their problems. At the end of the day though, i can only give advice, they have to do the hard work and actually implement it, should they choose. You are not useless because you didn't get the result you wanted. You gave it your best .. Many people would walk away .. But still at the end of the day, these people have to take accountability for their own actions/thoughts/feelings, no matter how hard you tried.

    This is good advice saslou .. It sounds like you have some experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I've been lurking around the NF forums for quite some time now and I have been searching there for someone to help me with my personal problems, like for example psychologists help. I tho have a misfit way of speaking about my things, which didnt get noticed with any of the psychics over there (except for one or two enfps, who really have a knack for such things).

    Instead I met arrogance, abusive behaviour, the occasional bragging about them being like god, when it comes to their abilities or sheer ignorance.

    So I came to think: An ISFJ, who types her-/himself that way from the start and who doesnt even assume for the slightest moment that he is special in any way, because she or he for example never achieved anything special so far (which would be prolly the case with 90% of the Ns), isnt she or he much more down-to-earth and more realistic + able to look at the world from an (as much as that is possible) objective point of view and to give people real world advice and help, cause he isnt blinded by his own ego ?

    I dont want to discredit all of the INFJs over there, but I am still refering to around 90%.

    Any thoughts ?

    I'm sorry if I hurt you, entropie.

    I don't look down at sensors at all, I'm always ashamed of myself when I realize how bad I am at fitting in with them, even if I try. As I child, I hated being different, and so wished I was like everyone else (I now understand "everyone" is the sensors-the majority of population).
    ISFJs are great and generally compassionate and I've had great conversations with many of them.
    I still think that as a N, you'll probably express a lot of things they won't understand or see the relevance of.

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    Ok I will try something now cause I am taking french courses for 4 weeks in University

    Regarding the N person and her/his behaviour in group situations:

    Tu peux fair indifferent, un de l'homme ( the N ) a peur toujours !

    Did that make sense at all ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ok I will try something now cause I am taking french courses for 4 weeks in University

    Regarding the N person and her/his behaviour in group situations:

    Tu peux fair indifferent, un de l'homme ( the N ) a peur toujours !

    Did that make sense at all ?
    Hummmm, I'm not sure what you mean, exactly.

    Do you mean:

    "It doesn't make any difference, the N man is still scared?"
    (I can help you with the French if you want, I am a French-Canadian.)

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    Ya i know

    No we were talking in a group lately about something and the guy who was talking said that when he was to place xyz they wated to do xyz but only one person didnt want to do what the group wanted to do. And he commented this with: "One is always afraid" which was meant to be funny .

    So I wanted to say in french:

    "You cant do anything about it, cause someone ( the N ) always is afraid"

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Ya i know

    No we were talking in a group lately about something and the guy who was talking said that when he was to place xyz they wated to do xyz but only one person didnt want to do what the group wanted to do. And he commented this with: "One is always afraid" which was meant to be funny .

    So I wanted to say in french:

    "You cant do anything about it, cause someone ( the N ) always is afraid"
    That would be:

    "Tu ne peux rien y faire, l'intuitif (N) est toujours méfiant."

    "Méfiant" here means that you're afraid to trust. Is that the kind of fear you were talking about?

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    Cant say for sure cause it was a joke with no real meaning, but:

    I was close ( We gonna talk again in 1 year when I had more of french class d'accord? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Cant say for sure cause it was a joke with no real meaning, but:

    I was close ( We gonna talk again in 1 year when I had more of french class d'accord? )
    D'accord.

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    To answer the OP -> yes

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