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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    How could you be so should someone is an ISFJ if she lacks Fe?
    Lol, yup, that was my question.
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    She could be a very polite ISTJ or a very opinionated ISFP.

    Edit: Could you please describe her, and describe why you think she's an ISFJ? If it seems more like she has Fi and you definitely think she's a feeler, she very well may be an ISFP. Fi can be rigid and critical when it comes to it's deeply felt core values, which might seem J to some people in certain circumstances. I mean, is she scheduled? Is she a planner? Is she methodical? What is it about her that makes you certain she's a J, or even an F?

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    Quote Originally Posted by michL87 View Post
    One of my close friends is clearly an ISFJ. She is strong in each of the individual letters.
    It's easy to confuse female ISTJ into an ISFJ, and male ISFJ into an ISTJ.

    What makes you think she's F in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    the truth, ozz. mbti is not based on functions, but "four letters". the mbti function order is a lie. its not the fundament of how most tests work, or how archetypes work (how our intuitive theory of mind comes to an understanding of what letters like J or P mean). the mbti function order has been poetized into mbti afterwards.
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    i have heard it all.)
    OK. But we're talking about the MBTI description of Fe which at the end of the day is similar to that of socionics Fi.

    It doens't matter whether she tests as ISFP or ISFJ, but whether she's similar to other ISFPs/ISFJs in that model framework. So even if she's an ISFJ with Fi, technically all other ISFJs should share that similarity where as the OP poster suggested that she had a different sort of interaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michL87 View Post
    One of my close friends is clearly an ISFJ. She is strong in each of the individual letters. However, an ISFJ is supposed to have Fe as their secondary function, and she doesn't have that at all. I've tried thinking of other types she could be, but she's clearly an ISFJ.

    Does anyone have any ideas of why an ISFJ can lack Fe as much as my friend does? If anything I would say that her feeling side is Fi, but she's an extreme J -- there's no way that girl could be a P.

    I would love to hear your opinions
    My stepmother is an ISFJ with very weak Fe imo. I think it is a symptom of some of her mental health issues as her personality is not fully rounded. When I first started learning about the different personalities I had her pegged as an ISTJ but the descriptions never quite fit. When I read in depth and the weaker side of not fully developed personalities she fit ISFJ descriptions to a t.

    She is definitely an F, but the feeling function is all hers in that everything she feels, she assumes that everyone else feels the same way. It comes across very T like in a sense because it is very cut and dry. She feels X, everyone should feel X...if they don't they are either stupid or they are doing it on purpose to her. But if they feel the same way about X, they are great in her book and she will bend over backwards to support them...as long as she personally approves of it.

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    Some ISFJs do lack Fe. If the Auxillary function isn't used or the person is going through tertiary temptation (relying on dominant-tertiary over dominant-auxillary), then they will appear to not have Fe. The secondary is more of a responsive thing, not a default mode of seeing things. It depends on the person and the situation if they want to respond with the auxillary, that's why it can be underdeveloped.

    But yeah, they can be in an SiTi mode and not really do Fe. Or they could just be less responsive with Fe than a normal ISFJ.
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    I am an ISFJ to the core (my husband heartily backs that up) and on the Socionomics, I did not test as an Fe. In fact, all of my functions were introverted and my Ti was the highest function, followed by Fi I believe.

    I think ISFJs can share the same general personality type, but have developed some functions differently than others. Giggly is an ISFJ and her functions and mine were different.

    I am very in touch with my feelings and base decisions in large part on how I feel, but most people wouldn't know how feeling based I am unless they know me...at least somewhat. The first time someone saw me crying at work, it freaked them out and my boss was shocked to discover how "sensitive" I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michL87 View Post
    One of my close friends is clearly an ISFJ. She is strong in each of the individual letters. However, an ISFJ is supposed to have Fe as their secondary function, and she doesn't have that at all. I've tried thinking of other types she could be, but she's clearly an ISFJ.

    Does anyone have any ideas of why an ISFJ can lack Fe as much as my friend does? If anything I would say that her feeling side is Fi, but she's an extreme J -- there's no way that girl could be a P.

    I would love to hear your opinions
    Fe often cares about others, but J is sometimes inflexible so those two things are in direct contrast with each other and that confuses people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michL87 View Post
    One of my close friends is clearly an ISFJ. She is strong in each of the individual letters. However, an ISFJ is supposed to have Fe as their secondary function, and she doesn't have that at all. I've tried thinking of other types she could be, but she's clearly an ISFJ.

    Does anyone have any ideas of why an ISFJ can lack Fe as much as my friend does? If anything I would say that her feeling side is Fi, but she's an extreme J -- there's no way that girl could be a P.
    You seem to be describing a supposed ISFJ I know. I asked posters on this forum to type her in 'What's My Type' and they said she was ISFJ. I thin cascadeco has pretty good reasoning to your question:

    Quote Originally Posted by cascadeco View Post
    or she's really introverted and has low self esteem or afraid of being 'used'/stepped on, so she's walling herself off and becoming more 'cold' to protect herself.
    This is a very good point, and I think is the case for the ISFJ I know, who doesn't seem to be displaying any visible Fe, and is fairly grumpy almost all the time. That's why I say she's an unhealthy ISFJ.


    Also, just to add, I don't think that if Fe isn't one of the top two functions that it rules out ISFJ. She could be an ISFJ who just does not visibly use her Fe as much as two other functions (say Si and Ti for example).

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    everyone has to develop theory of mind on his own. however it's a logical must, to compare your understanding of functions of introverted people with extroverted people. it's no problem to look at genuine 4 letter code isfj and find some complex in their traits, that seems effie in a way, and somehow extroverted in some way. you can call that Fe, and you can believe that this confirms the so called mbti function assignment. but look at this complex of theory of yours, and try to apply it to exfj and exfp. if your understanding of Fe would be correct, it would have to match exfj. but i predict: if your theoretical complex was actually based on theory of mind, then it can not possibly match exfj and it will match exfp. you can only find arbitrary superficial things in common of both exfj and ixfj. they have no complex of theory of mind in common. nothing that explains the 'how' and 'why' of motives and emotional 'reasoning'. but isfj and exfp have a lot of theory of mind in common. btw, genuine 4 letter istj have a genuine Fe mind complex, opperating as big time raving shadow. (genuine isfj have a raving Te shadow)

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