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    Default SJs attracted to counter culture

    How common, or uncommon, is this?

    I know a few guys who are IxTJ, and I am seriously leaning towards S for them, but they like aspects of certain counter cultures or slightly rebellious subcultures (nothing really bizarre), but it's not like any trend bandwagon they jumped on. I get an SJ vibe from them, and they openly dislike the abstract or things which look "odd" to them. There's just no way they are SPs, and NT doesn't really suit them either.

    SJs, are there are counter culture type of things you are drawn to? Stuff that may seem stereotypically "un-SJ-like". What makes you enjoy these things?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    How common, or uncommon, is this?

    I know a few guys who are IxTJ, and I am seriously leaning towards S for them, but they like aspects of certain counter cultures or slightly rebellious subcultures (nothing really bizarre), but it's not like any trend bandwagon they jumped on. I get an SJ vibe from them, and they openly dislike the abstract or things which look "odd" to them. There's just no way they are SPs, and NT doesn't really suit them either.

    SJs, are there are counter culture type of things you are drawn to? Stuff that may seem stereotypically "un-SJ-like". What makes you enjoy these things?
    It's not as uncommon as you would think. I know I usually like to stand out from the crowd, just because it's something that gives me more satisfaction (when I was younger, I was the opposite of this). I don't really like conforming to things, particularly when it's not necessary. I don't know why I enjoy this, I guess it's because I like to be different from the rest of the crowd.

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    I definitely think it happens. I know more than one ISTJ in the metal/punk subculture, and more than one ISFJ in the alternative subculture.
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    My ISTJ girl friend loves tattooed men and hardcore metal. I don't think she cares about the rebellious aspect of it, but she does seem to kind of like the group aspect of being part of a certain subculture. My ISFJ friend is also really into the vampire/emo thing.

    EDIT: Oh uh, but all of the other STJs I know are boring as hell. I love you guys, but seriously.
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    *Shrug* What do you mean by counter culture? See, cause everything I've seen as "counter" culture just looks like more culture to me- except these people are even more close knit than the non-"counter" kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    *Shrug* What do you mean by counter culture? See, cause everything I've seen as "counter" culture just looks like more culture to me- except these people are even more close knit than the non-"counter" kind.
    I think it's usually meant "cultures alternative to pop"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAppled View Post
    How common, or uncommon, is this?

    I know a few guys who are IxTJ, and I am seriously leaning towards S for them, but they like aspects of certain counter cultures or slightly rebellious subcultures (nothing really bizarre), but it's not like any trend bandwagon they jumped on. I get an SJ vibe from them, and they openly dislike the abstract or things which look "odd" to them. There's just no way they are SPs, and NT doesn't really suit them either.

    SJs, are there are counter culture type of things you are drawn to? Stuff that may seem stereotypically "un-SJ-like". What makes you enjoy these things?
    My ISFJ boyfriend fits this description.
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    I find myself pulled to like, British/English music artists and Japanese TV shows, if that counts.

    Just remember also, SJ isn't a fixed set of traditions. It means you maintain traditions. What traditions you maintain are not set in stone just by being an SJ.

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