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    Quote Originally Posted by slant View Post
    ISTJ
    Dom: Si, Introverted sensing
    Aux: Te, Extraverted Thinking
    Ter: Fi, Introverted feeling

    Inf: Ne, Extraverted Intuition



    ISFJ
    Dom: Si, Introverted Sensing
    Aux: Fe, Extraverted Feeling
    Ter: Ti, Introverted Thinking

    Inf: Ne, Extraverted Intuition
    From the tests I have taken on function, Ti was my dominant one, followed by Fi and Si. That's why the function test REALLY confused me???

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    Functions can vary but those are the normal functions that make up each type. Those are the dominant functions. You still use the others ones but not as much as the dominant ones. If you have a strong Ti it would suggest you lean more towards ISTJ. That does not exactly mean you are one, it just means you have developed that side more than most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slant View Post
    Functions can vary but those are the normal functions that make up each type. Those are the dominant functions. You still use the others ones but not as much as the dominant ones. If you have a strong Ti it would suggest you lean more towards ISTJ. That does not exactly mean you are one, it just means you have developed that side more than most.
    Ti dominant would be some kind of Introverted Perceiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambchop View Post
    ISTJs - "what it's like to be me"

    I think for the most part I try to make my life pretty structured, and one thing that other people can depend on is that I have a very strong sense of duty.

    Iím a team player but I work best with some time alone. I like it when everything is laid out and I can just concentrate on doing the job. I hate it when I donít know where I am going, and I like feedback so I know Iím on the right track. If part of the job entails ambiguity, thatís fine just as long as the goal is to reduce ambiguity. I like being financially secure with the bills paid on time so my family can enjoy the things that we like to do. I like to have a fallback plan. I do like to laugh and have fun too, but work is more important to me, and then I make my little jokes. I always think I have to get my work done before I can go out or go home, when I can just sit down and relax without anything hanging over my head. I take responsibility seriously, and if Iím going to put my name on something, my desire is to insure itís as good as it can be.

    A sense of right and wrong is extremely important, and I will not just stand by and watch people doing things wrong. It really tears me apart. I tend to want things in order and people doing the right things. I want to have some rules. I always wanted to please people, and a safe environment to me is where I donít have to compete with anyone elseís wishes. If I get into a situation where I feel very strongly and canít articulate the words or canít win, I just donít say anything. I tend to put up with conflict rather than deal with it. I try to deal with stress, but I am not necessarily a good confronter. I would like to be more of a stress avoider.

    I find myself duty bound sometimes and find that I do things because of whatís expected of me. People can trust and count on me, and I am very dependable, almost to a fault. I strive to keep balance between work and home, and if Iím going to provide for my family Iím going to have to swallow some things at work. When I see families that really want to be together, thatís a relationship that those people worked at for many years to achieve. Being a friend means caring enough about an individual to call them to see how they are doing, and if I can see someone has held true to their word, then theyíve probably gained my trust. If you were to ask me to define the word love, you would get responses like caring, responsibility, and loyalty.

    I am a very private person and I donít like a lot of attention. Although I enjoy being with people, observing them, and just being a part of the group, I really like some solitude. People who donít know me perceive me as pretty formal and rigid, and then Iíll get out of character and people donít know how to deal with that. They misinterpret my subtle sense of humor. I do have some ability to improvise every once in a while. I take a lot of pleasure in the simple things.

    With a problem, I will try to look at all the parts and line them up to insure I donít miss something. I have to force myself to look at the big picture and solve it before I can say, ďYes, this is going to work.Ē Iím not the idea person, but if I have experience I will give my opinion about how I think it should be done. If itís new, I am very much apt to sit back and take it all in and sit on it and think about it. I try to catch myself, but itís so unnatural for me to see the good side of things, and turning around my perspective takes a lot out of me. I want a rock-solid case for why I feel the way I do. A lot of my ideas are very practical, not theoreticalóthe down-to-earth stuff people really need to know. Sometimes when people donít see my point, I tend to withdraw or stand back.

    I canít stand people who donít care for others, who are irresponsible or rude, who shoot their mouth off without knowing what they are talking about or who donít do what they are supposed to do and want something for nothing. I especially canít tolerate people who donít take other peopleís time or privacy into consideration.

    I get up in the morning and do my routine. And I take time at the end of each day to try to plan whatís happening the next day, what Iím going to be working on first, second, third, and so on through out the day, to eliminate the unexpected. Sometimes I might carry a book or something in case I have to wait somewhere. That makes life easy and full. Stability is important to me and change may not be that easy, but variety is good too. I seek advice when I need to change.

    From bestfittype.com. Does this sound like you ISTJs?
    That description sounds like me a lot. I bolded the parts that don't seem much like me, which were very few. My sense of duty is very strong, and so is my need to finish something. For example, in my accounting class, we have these practice problems on the internet to do for each chapter. There are 3 sets of problems up right now. I did the first 2 and the second was the only required one. The third is sitting there for the third chapter and it's optional. However, I feel weird knowing that I could potentially leave a set of problems undone when I could be doing it for practice.

    So, this morning before my class, instead of working on something in a video game that I personally want to do, I'm likely going to go to the computer lab to work on those problems, even though they're optional, just because I don't want to live with knowing I didn't do something because I just might've been too lazy to do it. And, yeah, that's how I think. Si and Te pretty much is a consistent reminder throughout the day of your obligations. >< It's nearly impossible for me to lighten up enough to forget about something I should or could be doing.

    For more examples, of how my mind tends to work, here's another one I thought of that might illustrate it. I've been playing Pokemon the last 3 months. I got the first game 3 months ago. A week or so into it, I realized a possible goal of being able to catch all 482 Pokemon. I blame Ne for that. So, I went on to do research to see what was required in order to accomplish it, and found out that if I wanted to do it on my own, I'd have to buy at least 6 more games, a gamecube, and 2 game boy advances. So, I did that. Afterward, I did more research on where to find every single one in the games that weren't the first one I bought, and made a spreadsheet outlining which game contained each one. So, I embarked on the task of working on each game necessary to do it, keeping track of my list of where to find each one so that I wouldn't be playing a game I didn't need to be.

    I went through 5 game boy advance games until I had done what was necessary in those games for the Pokemon I needed. After that, I moved on to the Gamecube game, and spent about a week-ish working on getting through that. Once I had finished with what I needed to do with those 6, I was able to let go of them for the time being, and move back to the first original game I had been playing to finish the job in that game. It was more like a 7 game-wide scavenger hunt. Like I said, I blame Ne for giving me the proper vision to even imagine such an idea. My tunnel vision tendencies stayed on track during it. People online offered me help, and I constantly told them, "I'm not going to take any of these Pokemon I need from you. I want to do it all on my own, even if it takes more time."

    If I couldn't justify receiving help as absolutely necessary and actually received the help, it would completely nullify the entire goal, making it no longer worth doing. So, something that could've possibly taken 2 weeks if I wanted to be creative enough and take the easier way out ended up taking me 2 months because I wanted to prove to myself that I could complete such a task with a minimal amount of assistance.


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    In my experience ISTJs come across, at least in public, as much more opinionated and often (though not all of them) more judgemental than ISFJs, who seem one of the most placid, conflict-averse types. That's just my experience though, and the difference that stands out the most to me. ISTJs relish the opportunity to express opinions about big issues and debate and show more emotion when doing so than ISFJs will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    In my experience ISTJs come across, at least in public, as much more opinionated and often (though not all of them) more judgemental than ISFJs, who seem one of the most placid, conflict-averse types. That's just my experience though, and the difference that stands out the most to me. ISTJs relish the opportunity to express opinions about big issues and debate and show more emotion when doing so than ISFJs will.
    I can't argue with that. Perhaps the ISFJs are just more concerned about being considerate with their opinions than we are? My logic is that if you don't speak up, something could potentially get screwed up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    I can't argue with that. Perhaps the ISFJs are just more concerned about being considerate with their opinions than we are? My logic is that if you don't speak up, something could potentially get screwed up.
    An ISFJ I'm very close to has strong feelings about political issues but doesn't show it in public or polite company. This particular person admits they like to avoid conflict whenever possible, so that's probably a factor. However I don't get the impression from ISFJs that they're suppressing feelings when it comes to less immediate or personal issues; it's as if when they're around people, the social interaction with that person is what they're sensitive to and focused on, so things like politics just won't be able to spark their interest or strong feelings in that moment, making it fairly easy to keep their thoughts to themselves. Please correct me if that's wrong, ISFJs out there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    An ISFJ I'm very close to has strong feelings about political issues but doesn't show it in public or polite company. This particular person admits they like to avoid conflict whenever possible, so that's probably a factor. However I don't get the impression from ISFJs that they're suppressing feelings when it comes to less immediate or personal issues; it's as if when they're around people, the social interaction with that person is what they're sensitive to and focused on, so things like politics just won't be able to spark their interest or strong feelings in that moment, making it fairly easy to keep their thoughts to themselves. Please correct me if that's wrong, ISFJs out there...
    You are absolutely correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    In my experience ISTJs come across, at least in public, as much more opinionated and often (though not all of them) more judgemental than ISFJs, who seem one of the most placid, conflict-averse types. That's just my experience though, and the difference that stands out the most to me. ISTJs relish the opportunity to express opinions about big issues and debate and show more emotion when doing so than ISFJs will.
    I am opinionated about things that I have thought through and I am pretty sure I can back it up with some facts. The fact the feelings may be hurt doesn't cross my mind at the point as I believe they are better off knowing it.

    How would a more sensitive person deal with it? Find a gentle way to say it out after the fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    In my experience ISTJs come across, at least in public, as much more opinionated and often (though not all of them) more judgemental than ISFJs, who seem one of the most placid, conflict-averse types. That's just my experience though, and the difference that stands out the most to me. ISTJs relish the opportunity to express opinions about big issues and debate and show more emotion when doing so than ISFJs will.
    Quote Originally Posted by compulsiverambler View Post
    An ISFJ I'm very close to has strong feelings about political issues but doesn't show it in public or polite company. This particular person admits they like to avoid conflict whenever possible, so that's probably a factor. However I don't get the impression from ISFJs that they're suppressing feelings when it comes to less immediate or personal issues; it's as if when they're around people, the social interaction with that person is what they're sensitive to and focused on, so things like politics just won't be able to spark their interest or strong feelings in that moment, making it fairly easy to keep their thoughts to themselves. Please correct me if that's wrong, ISFJs out there...
    Yes. Very good.

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