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    The chick is cute, rest sucks, my opinion. It annoys me how so many girls think this movie is the best thing to ever be released on film.

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    Haven't read any of the books yet and don't plan to. I did research them and decided it sounded a. yucky (don't like vampire books) b. WAY too sappy, although sappiness can be fun and I am a sucker for the type found in, say, The Scarlet Pimpernel, and c. messed up as far as portraying romance wrong. I think I understand why so many people love the series, but I don't think I'll bother.
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    Ah...I don't know. It was just....romance overdose. Contrary to popular belief, I don't mind romance. But I don't want the plot of a book to revolve around it. Romance is not like the Sun...it's more like....some other planet. It's a powerful tool writers have at their disposal, and it's fantastic for creating tension and for gripping people emotionally, but it's just not that important.

    Or at least, that's my take on it. What are your preferences in terms of the "writer's tools"? Is it suspense you like, or perhaps a power struggle between two opposing forces?

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    Ok, I am usually a post-reader and not a post-poster, but I absolutely have to give you all my two cents on this subject!

    I read Twilight before the movies came out (in summer when I had free time). I picked it up once I remembered how my roommate couldn't put them down. And I LOVED them! I agree that it is highly romance-based, but for a female Thinker like me, it's nice to read a story like that where you can pretend you are in the main character's shoes. In Twilight, I almost think it is more reality-based than fantasy-based because it is centered around the day to day life of a normal girl, and besides the fact that she socializes with vampires, what happens to her in the book is actually pretty realistic. Therefore, I don't think any of you SJs out there should refuse this book just because "it is about vampires." In general, I like realistic fiction books with some romance mixed in, and Twilight doesn't stray TOO far from this category!

    It is tempting to try to find a correlation between book genre choice and type. At first you would think Sensors like realistic books and iNtuitives like fantasy, but obviously some books appeal to many different types. I think it would depend more on where you are in life and your interests.

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    I think you're right about the book genre choice and type. I've always preferred fantasy and science fiction as opposed to true stories and "realistic" things.

    I don't have any qualms with vampires, or anything else for that matter. I like that kind of stuff. My biggest issue was merely the plot's concern....every event in the book revolved around the romance.

    Let's take Ian Irvine's "A Shadow on the Glass" (from the View from the Mirror series) for example:

    The plot develops slowly, and by that I mean the true plot is never really unveiled until later in the series (four books). I won't spoil it for you, but the true driving force for all of the book's events come from a struggle between political forces and the introduction of an almost extinct breed of human-like aliens. However, there are at least two romantic sub-plots in the book, which I enjoyed. But I enjoyed them in addition to the rest of the happenings.

    I suppose romance in a book, to me, is like.....salt on french fries. It's wonderful when you have some, but too much and then you have a crappy tasting book.




    Which brings me to another point..... You mentioned "it's nice to read a story like that where you can pretend you are in the main character's shoes."

    This raises an interesting point, to me, at least. Do you like the idea of pretending you're someone else, or do you wish you could influence a fictional character's decisions (or affect the story in some manner)?

    I generally prefer to spectate, and play the hypocrite. You know...."Oh, I wouldn't have done that," or "Don't open that closet!", etc.

    The stereotypes suggest that ISTJs like to stay "rooted in reality", (paraphrasing, of course) or something to that effect. I do that most of the time, yes, but when I'm off in introvert land.....I like to focus on something other than reality, to....help me relax. Reading a sci-fi/fantasy book usually works for that purpose. I can immerse myself in another world.

    Is it the same for you?

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    Not into it.

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    Firstly, let me put this out there: I agree the movie sucked compared to the book!

    Now, about the romance issue: While I admit there was a hefty amount of romance involved in the first book, I did not feel overdosed at all! I actually liked first book best, and mostly the beginning of that book before something "happened" to them. Haha. It was nice to see everything in their relationship work out so completely and utterly well, unlike other realistic fiction romances where the characters meet and fall in love one summer and then have to go their separate ways after a few months, or the author just ends the book right when they both realize they love each other and have their first kiss or something. I also noticed that, for me, when books do have romance subplots, I always read as fast as possible in order to get to the parts where the romance is!

    So it's hard to say what the difference is between you and I, FallaciaSonata. Perhaps it is just our gender differences.

    As for being in another's shoes, I don't actually pretend I'm someone else or wish I could influence a fictional character's decisions. I pretty much just read it as fast as possible to see what actually DOES happen. This is something that I've noticed is significantly different than my intuitive (INFP) sister. She reads slowly, absorbs everything, and pauses every so often to imagine what could happen next. Anyway, what I meant when I said that I like to be in the main character's shoes was that I like to "escape" into a book that is realistic, but better than my life, so I can see what it is like to live "the good life". In Twilight, "the good life" happens to be one where your true love pretty much falls in your lap and has no interest at all in any other girls, only you. Sounds amazing to me!

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    Ah....I see. Then it's a similar purpose. An escape. My escape is a generalization, while your escape is more purposeful and specific.

    And here I thought half the population just read slowly. I'm always picking at people who can't read/type/etc as fast as I can. ; )

    I haven't seen the movie yet, and I don't plan to. Prior to reading the book, the vast majority of the people I talked to said the book was significantly better than the movie....and I know that is generally true for most book/movie deals. But I didn't like the book, so I'm almost certain I won't like the movie.

    Perhaps if I get time to be bored. I don't have time to be bored anymore. It's funny how that worked out....before I had a job, when I was littler, I had tons of time but never enough things to do or play with. And now I've got things to do, read, play, yet.....it always seems as if it's time to go to work again.

    --- and I'm only part-time! lol


    I told my Mom when I find the girl I like, I'm going to go hang out outside her bedroom window and check her out while she sleeps. Hey, it worked for the vampire guy....and as a bonus, I won't wish I could drink her blood. ; )

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    I liked the first book well enough, and hated the second one (I really hate love triangles), so I quit reading them. But based on the plot summaries I've read of the later two books... well, it seems like the books are based on a very non-feminist worldview, in which women have no lives of their own, and live solely for their husbands/partners and their family, and nothing else. (This may have something to do with her Mormon faith, but I'm not sure.) When I read books like that, where the love between the two main characters is so all-consuming... yeah. I'm not a fan. (I hated "Wuthering Heights", too, which is similar in that respect, and which apparently Stephanie Meyer was inspired by when she wrote the Twilight books.)
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    It's interesting this was brought up.

    I was talking to my dad's friend's girlfriend, who is an ESTJ, about Twilight the other month when I was down visiting.

    She said some interesting things. She had read the series, so wasn't making a strict judgment. She said that it shouldn't be allowed for teenage girls to read them because it "portrays perfect romance" that young girls will probably never find. And reading the book will give them a faulty perspective of romance, and that finding romance on that level was near impossible.

    I am not exaggerating, or bending the story at all. That is how she said it, and I was appalled. And I disagreed with her, though I didn't say so.
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