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    I work with an ISTJ and I am starting to see the inferior Ne shine through. He makes quick judgements about the reason something happens. He seems to make vague connections and run with them.

    Im curious if thats what Ne is good at, making vague connections which is not at all helpful with getting to the root of the problem. My dad(ISTJ) had said that knowledge is evil. The thing with knowledge is that when you make snap judgements you have a higher probability of being wrong in the long run and more knowledge would uncover this.

    P types like ENFPs make the same vague connections, but dont act on them as quickly. Thats why a stressed ENFP becomes ISTJ. There feelings take over and they make snap decisions based on vague connections.

    edit: it drives my wife nuts when I tell her how she feels, I dont mean to say how you feel or how you are, its more of a thought that I end up wording as a fact.

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    Ne allows people to see things in many different ways (i.e. think outside of the box.) Making vague connections might have something to do with that, and the "running with them" definitely is his J talking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubjectA View Post
    Ne allows people to see things in many different ways (i.e. think outside of the box.) Making vague connections might have something to do with that, and the "running with them" definitely is his J talking.
    What drives J in an ISTJ? I notice when they feel challenged or threatened they try to come out with a solution before others. It seems like its the J that pushes Ne to be inferior. What drives ISTJs to have a desire to make a decision without getting all the information?

    I was talking to my dad and while trying to give all the detail I could tell half way through he stopped listening and it kinda confirmed what I noticed when he said "can I talk now" before I was done explaining things in more detail. I wasnt threatening him and I dont think he felt challenged, but his J really came out and cut me short of explaining why I thought what I thought which usually contains more detail into the root and not so much of a quick fix or dismisal that "thats just the way things are".

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    What drives J in an ISTJ? I notice when they feel challenged or threatened they try to come out with a solution before others. It seems like its the J that pushes Ne to be inferior. What drives ISTJs to have a desire to make a decision without getting all the information?

    I was talking to my dad and while trying to give all the detail I could tell half way through he stopped listening and it kinda confirmed what I noticed when he said "can I talk now" before I was done explaining things in more detail. I wasnt threatening him and I dont think he felt challenged, but his J really came out and cut me short of explaining why I thought what I thought which usually contains more detail into the root and not so much of a quick fix or dismisal that "thats just the way things are".
    Lifestyle drives the J, and the J drives the T.

    J types want matters settled. If you ramble on and on about a topic, and we've already reached a conclusion about it, our eyes will glaze over. And Ps do tend to ramble on. That's probably what's happening with your dad.

    As for the inferior Ne, it is the opposite of their dominating function, the Si. Usually when one exerts their inferior function they're under stress. In a sense, they panic. And if their inferior function isn't developed, they could very well be doing it wrong. It sounds like you have a very stressed coworker. For an ISTJ, if you want to allow him to make the best decisions, don't pester him by giving every single thing you know about the subject. Widdle it down to the important stuff and be clear and logical. Don't be threatening and don't stress him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubjectA View Post
    Lifestyle drives the J, and the J drives the T.

    J types want matters settled. If you ramble on and on about a topic, and we've already reached a conclusion about it, our eyes will glaze over. And Ps do tend to ramble on. That's probably what's happening with your dad.

    As for the inferior Ne, it is the opposite of their dominating function, the Si. Usually when one exerts their inferior function they're under stress. In a sense, they panic. And if their inferior function isn't developed, they could very well be doing it wrong. It sounds like you have a very stressed coworker. For an ISTJ, if you want to allow him to make the best decisions, don't pester him by giving every single thing you know about the subject. Widdle it down to the important stuff and be clear and logical. Don't be threatening and don't stress him.
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    Making a decision without getting all the information satisfies the J in the ISTJ, they want to be done with things, and put those things behind them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubjectA View Post
    Lifestyle drives the J, and the J drives the T.
    This makes me laugh, because this is the same as saying "thats just the way things are"

    Quote Originally Posted by SubjectA View Post
    J types want matters settled. If you ramble on and on about a topic, and we've already reached a conclusion about it, our eyes will glaze over. And Ps do tend to ramble on. That's probably what's happening with your dad.

    As for the inferior Ne, it is the opposite of their dominating function, the Si. Usually when one tries to exert their inferior function they're under stress. And when they're not used to using it, they could very well be doing it wrong. It sounds like you have a very stressed coworker. For an ISTJ, if you want to allow him to make the best decisions, don't pester him by giving every single thing you know about the subject. Widdle it down to the important stuff. Don't be threatening and don't stress him.
    Who decides if the matters are settled? I recognize the glazed over and realize that they are not really gonna be helpful because they dont get all the sides and just accept their answer and end up figuring it out on my own. I guess what I am getting at is why do you want to have matters settled? Is it to free up your time, what is in it for you, what do you get out of it. We all get things out of what we do, what do you get out of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by poki View Post
    Who decides if the matters are settled? I recognize the glazed over and realize that they are not really gonna be helpful because they dont get all the sides and just accept their answer and end up figuring it out on my own. I guess what I am getting at is why do you want to have matters settled? Is it to free up your time, what is in it for you, what do you get out of it. We all get things out of what we do, what do you get out of it?
    It is all of the above and more. Getting something done (especially something I don't like) gives me a good feeling, one of accomplishment. And the more I get done, the better I feel. It's probably the J in ISTJ that's doing this in my brain. Sometimes I'll feel lazy, but if I actually get to completing something rather than waiting around, I feel much better since I don't have to do to that dastardly act later on in the future. One less thing to worry about, one more reason to relax. Get my drift?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChosenOne View Post
    It is all of the above and more. Getting something done (especially something I don't like) gives me a good feeling, one of accomplishment. And the more I get done, the better I feel. It's probably the J in ISTJ that's doing this in my brain. Sometimes I'll feel lazy, but if I actually get to completing something rather than waiting around, I feel much better since I don't have to do to that dastardly act later on in the future. One less thing to worry about, one more reason to relax. Get my drift?
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    We like getting things out of the way. We don't see achievement until the project is finished. I hate having a ton of pending projects that I know need to be done. It's stressful. And if we're too stressed, we just kind of go about doing things in a half ass way (answers now, learn later.)

    Quote Originally Posted by poki
    This makes me laugh, because this is the same as saying "thats just the way things are"
    Because they are. Look it up.
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    I don't know if this defines me. Depending on what it is, the importance and significance of it in my life, I want all the facts before I make a decision. In fact, the less I know, the harder it is for me to make a decision. Now in some matters, it's like let's just get it over with, like some forms of shopping. If the price is reasonable, then I'm going with it. I'm not going to run across town to save $5.

    And I'm quick to admit that I will make an assumption and shut down, but sometimes, if the person has compelling information, I will give them a fair listen and it may even change my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubjectA View Post
    +1

    We like getting things out of the way. We don't see achievement until the project is finished. I hate having a ton of pending projects that I know need to be done. It's stressful. And if we're too stressed, we just kind of go about doing things in a half ass way (answers now, learn later.)



    Because they are. Look it up.

    Amen to this. This has been my approach to work this week.

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