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    Aspiring Troens Ridder Array KLessard's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueSky View Post
    So as for my vision of the world:

    I think you word it a little weird when you say "refuse to believe". It's more like I see no reason to believe. Basically, if I said that I believed in fairies you'd call me crazy. There is no evidence that fairies exist. And while I can't rule out the possibility of a God (or fairies), until some concrete evidence appears I see no reason to believe.

    And while I'd hate to generalize, I find that by the nature of being religious people, many religious people are somewhat ignorant (or possibly just blind). Believers will tell stories of how they know God is real. I used to do this myself. I would explain to people that whenever I didn't do my homework (which was rare) the teachers would never check, and thus God exists; but this totally ignores the fact that it could be just plain coincidence. (I'm sure I wouldn't have made that mistake if people had told me stories of all the times they didn't do their homework and got caught.) I don't think being religious though can really hurt somebody most of the time; more like the person is signing up for slavery. It's just foolish, limiting, and blinding. To believer in my eyes, suggest a certain amount of gullibility on the part of the believer. And while I say that religion most of the time won't hurt, 9/11 is proof that religion certainly can be bad.

    And somewhat recently, I explained to my parents that I longer believed in God which was a lot of fun. I was able to argue and reveal how little they know about their own faith and only confirm my assumptions that believers are just blind. My mom even sent me to talk with the local pastor. We talked for a few hours and again, I only saw how blind people can be. I think that's only natural though, that is, to not renounce one's faith. People treat ideas like possessions.

    I also very much dislike the people who believe that atheists can't have morals. Morality is a social thing; not a religious one. If everybody believed it was okay to kill others then it would be. There is so much evidence for this.

    If it's of any interest to you, I used to be a Catholic myself. Being an SJ perfectionist though, I wanted to understand my thinking so that I might do better, leading me to the MBTI, critical thinking, and the realization that I had no reason to believe in God.

    Thank you. This is very helpful.

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    I would definitely say I'm agnostic. I have tried out amny religions in my lifetime, even becoming Mormon at one point (like see how they feel for me.) Nothing ever really fit. I do believe in a higher power (although I have no definition for it and if I had to pick a religion that most closely fit my ideas, I would say I believe in karma and that God is within us (which I think is Buddism-like) rather than anything in the Bible or most religions. I do however, have values and morals that are important to me - but it's more based on what I feel is right (lying, cheating, crime, treating other people like you would want to be treated, etc.)

    I respect other people's beliefs (although I might find them secretly to be a bit naive or a sheep like mentality when they don't question them - I would never tell them that) as long as people don't try to force their beliefs on me. My father in law is very religious and he shares what he feels is important, but he never forces them on me and he loves me no matter what - so I respect him and support him in his beliefs, while still maintaining my own. If I do debate with him, I do it in a polite and respectful manner (like most people in my life) and I will use a lot of "I feel" or "I think" instead of getting in his face or attacking him for how he thinks or believes.

    My .02

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