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    this is my winter song EJCC's Avatar
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    ^^ If only we had that kind of foresight...

    I entirely agree with Habba.
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    Whoops... double post.
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    SJ's got a small P-ness xD
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    Habba, how did the NF's curiosity translate to your pursuing it? I have tried to get friends of all types to check this out, but the only ones who bite are NFs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Habba, how did the NF's curiosity translate to your pursuing it? I have tried to get friends of all types to check this out, but the only ones who bite are NFs.
    My ESTJ X would probably rather have her fingernails removed than delve into her own inner self....much less share any of it with anyone else. Not sure if that is just her or an SJ thing. I think a lot of it is her, but I was surprised to find so few SJ folks here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weminuche View Post
    My ESTJ X would probably rather have her fingernails removed than delve into her own inner self....much less share any of it with anyone else. Not sure if that is just her or an SJ thing. I think a lot of it is her, but I was surprised to find so few SJ folks here.
    I relate to that a lot. The only reason I enjoy it MBTI-wise is that I can think about it objectively. Enneagram, on the other hand... I really hate it. It makes me insecure. I'd rather not think about those aspects of myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I relate to that a lot. The only reason I enjoy it MBTI-wise is that I can think about it objectively. Enneagram, on the other hand... I really hate it. It makes me insecure. I'd rather not think about those aspects of myself.
    what do you think about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    Habba, how did the NF's curiosity translate to your pursuing it? I have tried to get friends of all types to check this out, but the only ones who bite are NFs.
    Well, first it was just nice to know thing. "Oh, I'm ISTJ.. well, that explains why I never went to parties."

    But I got more interested in it when I became depressed. We talked a lot about life and people in general... for countless hours. During the process, I found out that being an ISTJ is not that easy as we are very prone to depression. I also found out that it's my personality type that gives me difficulties relating with people.

    I also found out what so great about ISTJs. I had rarely though positive thoughts about myself, but now I can take pride for being one of the most reliable, caring (shown through actions, rather than expressing feelings) and intelligent person in my life. I don't need to be the most popular and handsome, when I already have those qualities in me. Essentially I was all the time trying to be something what I wasn't, and typology showed me how great I already was.
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    Habba - That's great to hear! Do you think that it's mostly only problems that motivate SJs to check it out?

    SJs are great people, but because they accept things for what they are instead of obsessively trying to pursue how things could be, what else would be strong enough to motivate them to look at MBTI seriously? I just see so many SJs that I think would be greatly helped in their relationships by it and may also be made happier as you were and I'm sorry for them to miss out!

    EJCC - What made you decide to pursue it? I know that you like it because you can look at it objectively, but what sent you there in the first place? (You don't have to tell if you don't want to, of course). Why is enneagram scarier? You seem quite self-aware, so I assume that you assess yourself and ponder some of those things. I'm not sure how I feel about it either, but I'm just wondering what it is for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weminuche View Post
    what do you think about this?

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    Oh, that stuff is fine. I can look at that and think "Oh, yeah, I do that. I can keep that in mind, and improve myself." Not stressful in the least. However... I believe that I'm an Enneagram type 6, and every time I look at that description, I tend to react by wallowing in self-pity, because not only do I despise seeing those attributes in me (I'd kill to be a 1), but those are feelings that I don't think about at all, and have no real control over that I can think of, so I can't think of a single way that I could change it. It seems so... hopeless. Therefore, I don't think about it. Or, I TRY not to. (I really wish that I had never learned about it.)
    </awkward_rant>

    Now, I WOULD dismiss the above paragraph as being the product of a weird mood (it kind of is), but it really applies to this ISFJ that I know. She HATES MBTI, because the type descriptions told her that she'd be a good secretary. When you want to become an artist (which she does), and somebody tells you that you should work a desk job instead, it doesn't exactly make you feel good. (Of course, it doesn't help that she's a pretty insecure person to begin with.)

    I think SJs tend to read too much into the little details, and are put off by them. Plus, like Habba said, they feel like all they need to know is the basic stuff, and they aren't so driven to learn more. (Short attention span, perhaps? Who knows?)
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