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    Well thank you for talking the time to explain that.

    I suppose because i have no interest really in the subject, after the first few sentences all i heard/saw was blah, blah, blah.

    Least i am honest.
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    Wow born slippy that is impressive, way beyond concrete. Very imaginative, indeed. Crap now I know I will never amount to anything beyond an editor or technical writer.

    Well, maybe I can find a beautiful white Calla Lily in a black sleek vase to liven up your front room.
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    Does the truth really exist or is it confirmation bias?
    It's definitely apparant of the Ne taking place there and I'd be the first to admit that it's the weakest thing within me, I don't create parallel stories that could equally represent the poem. The only intuitive function that I'm used to is Ni and that's seeking meaning from the poem. Time to crack open Ti and defend the SJs...

    I would not interpret Lucifer as people for the sheer fact that while humans are fallen individuals, according to God's grace we can be saved. The end of the poem however seemed to give more indication of eternal resignation and perhaps sadness. When you write things down I can see how different sections can be interpreted differently, but looking at the whole thing in context would render some of these interpretations 'inaccurate'.

    Bottom line is: Many SJs here have contested against the stereotype before. The dictotomies aren't one or another, it's a gradual scale and represents a preference rather than ability. Looking at things from a function point of view changes things even more so as an individual can develop intuitive based functions like Ne and Ni. Development of Ti usually ends up leading to moral relativity due to awareness of the lack of absolutes within the world, and Fi usually respects other individuals enough not to ram down black and white thinking.

    Consider that functions are the backbone of MBTI. What exactly is it that induces black and white thinking? This idea that there is a easy split between abstract and concrete strikes me as odd as all thought itself is abstract.

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    Thanks for clarifying, slippy. Sorry about that, I guess I took your post the wrong way. :P Yeah, it's probably true that most SJ's aren't great with symbolism and metaphors. That's just one of the things I'm a tad jealous of N's. It looks like those sort of things just come naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyGeek View Post
    Thanks for clarifying, slippy. Sorry about that, I guess I took your post the wrong way. :P Yeah, it's probably true that most SJ's aren't great with symbolism and metaphors. That's just one of the things I'm a tad jealous of N's. It looks like those sort of things just come naturally.
    They do come naturally to an extent. I just had a conversation over beer with a couple NTs from work and we spontaneously discussed Rock, Paper, Scissors, and whether or not there was a sociological/psychological means to predict selection.

    If you spent your time since grade school talking about shit like that it would surely come more naturally to you too.

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    It's interesting to me, Saslou and Eiddy, that you both pointed out that on this forum you're more of a rarity (Ah, other people might have mentioned this too but I'm too lazy to read every post). I hadn't put a lot of thought into it, as I always think of SJs as representing such a large amount of society, but in this particular area of interest they are not well represented in number, and there is a bias towards N here. It actually kind of bums me out that there aren't more SJ types here, because the N can get a little wild and sometimes I like to hear from more down to earth types. And my collection of data is incomplete. *sad INTJ face*

    (Also, I have Ni and still can't understand poetry. I feel cheated!)

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    Do you ever have moments where you just wish you could be any other type?

    Sometimes, I think I could use a lot more ability to come up with new idea. I wish I have a N I could call out when needed. Essentially, when I face a situation where my weakness is showing, I want to be another type.

    How do you deal with your weaknesses?

    I hadn't figured this part out yet. I do recognize that I need to deal with them slowly one by one and I should expect incremental improvements.

    Is it easy for you to accept what/who you are?

    I think the test gave me a understanding of myself in a way that wasn't there before. It allowed me to accept more of my own strengths (and weaknesses). I used to think there is something wrong with me because almost people around me were not acting in the same way.

    Do you ever have moments where you wish you never took the test?

    The only time I regret it is when I was trying to take another personality test and I kept thinking if i am filling them in honestly.

    How do you feel about yourself compared to the other types?

    It's hard to say because it seems to me that every types in the MBTI test would thrive in different type of environments. So depending on the environment that I am in, ISTJ's rank would be different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    It's interesting to me, Saslou and Eiddy, that you both pointed out that on this forum you're more of a rarity (Ah, other people might have mentioned this too but I'm too lazy to read every post). I hadn't put a lot of thought into it, as I always think of SJs as representing such a large amount of society, but in this particular area of interest they are not well represented in number, and there is a bias towards N here. It actually kind of bums me out that there aren't more SJ types here, because the N can get a little wild and sometimes I like to hear from more down to earth types. And my collection of data is incomplete. *sad INTJ face*

    (Also, I have Ni and still can't understand poetry. I feel cheated!)
    Thank you Poppy for your input. I had a jaw drop moment there because never in my wildiest days would i ever of though an INTJ (yeah, some major stereotyping going on) would come out with a comment like that.
    I have an absolute new found respect for you now.
    You rock. (No sad faces please)

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    Quote Originally Posted by saslou View Post
    Thank you Poppy for your input. I had a jaw drop moment there because never in my wildiest days would i ever of though an INTJ (yeah, some major stereotyping going on) would come out with a comment like that.
    I have an absolute new found respect for you now.
    You rock. (No sad faces please)

    Hee hee Oh sorry my Fi is dripping everywhere. Better mop that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poppy View Post
    It's interesting to me, Saslou and Eiddy, that you both pointed out that on this forum you're more of a rarity (Ah, other people might have mentioned this too but I'm too lazy to read every post). I hadn't put a lot of thought into it, as I always think of SJs as representing such a large amount of society, but in this particular area of interest they are not well represented in number, and there is a bias towards N here. It actually kind of bums me out that there aren't more SJ types here, because the N can get a little wild and sometimes I like to hear from more down to earth types. And my collection of data is incomplete. *sad INTJ face*
    I wish there were more of us in this forum too.

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