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    Quote Originally Posted by Recoleta View Post
    Yup, guilty as charged...I know I plan for the possibility all the time. Honestly, I am just a planner. I constantly think about what my next move will be, and how am I going to do it as efficiently as possible. If I have obligations to fulfill, forget it...spontaneity loses.

    I think the only time you can catch me be spontaneous is if I am on vacation (or completely removed from any and all obligations). Otherwise, I just can't fully enjoy myself. I can force myself to go along with the action of being spontaneous, but my mind never quite allows me to be free of obligation.

    Also, as for the calling at 2 a.m. thing -- Do NOT ever call me in the middle of the night to tell me something unless it is life-or-death important and requires some sort of immediate action on my part. It doesn't matter how much I may love you, I can assure you I will not want to talk to you at that time. See, this is the way my brain works if awoken in the middle of the night:

    *conversation ends*
    1) *conversation is replayed in head at least once*
    2) What time is it?
    3) Crap, that means I only have "x" hours until I have to be awake again
    4) What do I even have to do tomorrow? *runs through mental schedule*
    5) Is everything I need to do for tomorrow ready to go in the morning?
    a) Yes, everything is done, don't worry about it....*continues to worry...surely I've forgotten something.* Or I will improve upon already-existing ideas
    b) No, you procrastinated and you still have stuff to take care of...now that you're up you should just go ahead and do it.
    6) *Eventually fall back to sleep many hours later, and awaken grumpy and tired the next morning*

    You have ruined my night, I hope your conversation was worth it. Thanks a lot...lol!

    Great Points. My girl's job took her to NYC on July 5, so she asked me to come along, with her sisters and their husbands as well. We were supposed to leave at 12. From the first text message I sent her that morning, EVERYTHING changed, and we didn't leave until after 3. I was sooo pissed, because I had everything planned out in my head, and none of my plans played out, instead I 'went with the flow' as her ENFJ (by my guesstimate) brother advised me.

    Yes we had a good time in the end, but it wrecked my nerves with all the changes.

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    Also, as for the calling at 2 a.m. thing -- Do NOT ever call me in the middle of the night to tell me something unless it is life-or-death important and requires some sort of immediate action on my part. It doesn't matter how much I may love you, I can assure you I will not want to talk to you at that time.
    Fascinating. I often love being awakened from my slumber for a random conversation. It makes me feel thought of and loved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachelinpa View Post
    I love you SJs SO much, but The Plan always wins. Once there is a plan in your mind, it seems to take a lot of effort for you to warm to the idea of something new or doing something different. And, it kind of kills the fun sometimes. What are your thoughts on this? What is my best response? Is it something that can be worked on--on both ends? I'm sure we NPs drive you crazy with our spontaneous whims... but... hmm...
    The actual conversation .. just blah, blah, blah. OK

    New ideas .. Bring it on. Just don't tell me, oh i think we should do this, that and the other then not do it. Can't get me all excited for nothing. Thats rude.

    If someone is going to meet me at a certain time, be there on time. I had a temper tantrum today (first real one this year so i wont give myself a hard time) because i was waiting to pick up someones kid and they didn't turn up. I actually had a life today and was busy. :steam:

    This 2am call thing. Please leave it until daylight at least.
    “I made you take time to look at what I saw and when you took time to really notice my flower, you hung all your associations with flowers on my flower and you write about my flower as if I think and see what you think and see—and I don't.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rachelinpa View Post
    Fascinating. I often love being awakened from my slumber for a random conversation. It makes me feel thought of and loved.
    apparently the SJs feel otherwise.

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    To be honest: If I like something about SJs then this is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    To be honest: If I like something about SJs then this is it.
    LOL Why is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
    LOL Why is that?
    Because I am strong J myself. One of the rare things that can I really enjoy is planning and killing sponteneity. However there a differences since my N is quite strong as well. Which means that I usually see outcomes more clearly then SJs so that makes difference in planning. For example I do less micro-managment then a typical SJ and I don't get annoyed by changes in plan that much. However I prefer organized to unorganized always.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Because I am strong J myself. One of the rare things that can I really enjoy is planning and killing sponteneity. However there a differences since my N is quite strong as well. Which means that I usually see outcomes more clearly then SJs so that makes difference in planning. For example I do less
    micro-managment then a typical SJ and I don't get annoyed by changes in plan that much. However I prefer organized to unsorganized always.
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    So as an N, you see the variety of outcomes and since one of them will happen, you are comfortabale with it?

    Of the 8 different types, N is the one thing that I understand the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IZthe411 View Post
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    So as an N, you see the variety of outcomes and since one of them will happen, you are comfortabale with it?

    Of the 8 different types, N is the one thing that I understand the least.
    Yes, since N means not living in the present/real world. Especially if you are an introvert as well. (I am simplifing but in general this is it)

    You should try finding some threads about N. Maybe they will help you understand. But from what I saw they confuse SJs even more abou the entire N thing.

    I will stop here since we are killing the thread. We can discuss this somwhere else.

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    Me (3:13:19 PM): he is a killer of spontaneity
    Me (3:13:33 PM): i'm working on beating it out of him
    Do you plan to beat the killer of spontaneity out of him by being more spontaneous? That might not work very well.

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