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    Default ISFJ Females vs. ISTJ Females

    Okay, I know someone answered this before, but I think we need to have a thread about it. How do you tell them apart? After all, I think a lot of ISTJ females feel they need to "pretend" to act a little "F-ish", no? (And by "F-ish" I mean more concerned with the people around them.)

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    This is all speculation on my part, but wouldn't a female be naturally inclined (or perhaps socially pressured to some degree, great or small) to act more "F-ish", because (again, I've only heard this) most other women are F?

    The above is a total guess. Slightly educated, but mostly guess. I equate it to the....you know that old phrase, "Men don't cry"? That social stereotype that men are mostly "T"? Wouldn't the same, or something similar, apply here?

    Perhaps we can get a couple of women with those types on here to explain. Interesting thought you've got here, d@v3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallaciaSonata View Post
    This is all speculation on my part, but wouldn't a female be naturally inclined (or perhaps socially pressured to some degree, great or small) to act more "F-ish", because (again, I've only heard this) most other women are F?
    Not all females are F. I consider my self to be an ISTJ, and the last time I check, I am a female. There are many social pressures to be more "F-ish," but those sort of things are usually out of my comfort zone.

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    ISFJ females are more sensitive and take things personally.

    ISTJ females are not as sensitive and usually takes things less personally. They tend to take on more responsibility in the workplace. They're not as concerned with feelings as ISFJs.

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    I know an ISTJ female and an ISFJ female. Somehow they are actually rather similar. They both appear to be quiet and peaceful sort of people. They never openly insult anyone, but behind the scenes they might say couple of bad words about certain people. I think both o them are avoiding conflicts quite a lot.

    However, they do differ. The ISFJ talks a lot more when she's in a smaller group, while the ISTJ is content just listening to people talk. Actually, the ISTJ once told me she enjoys watching and observing other people, rather than interact with them. The ISFJ is quite contrary, she's always interested in what's new in everyone's life.

    They both have somewhat pessimistic views of the world, but the ISTJ says the world is full of morons and dumb people, and that she's the one true perfection (jokingly). The ISFJ on the other hand says that the world of is full of people that are weird or unconventional. She's confused at why they are not acting normal.

    The ISFJ seems to be questioning her abilities to succees at something a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    The ISFJ on the other hand says that the world of is full of people that are weird or unconventional. She's confused at why they are not acting normal.
    While ISTJs tend to talk to weirdos because they could find an advantage there.

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    Ah, I have a case study for this thread. I think I've mentioned that I spent high school sandwiched between an ISFJ and an ISTJ, more than once.

    Habba's post rings true actually. The only thing I have to add is that the ISTJ had a stronger work ethic. Whenever we exchanged the occasional "How do you does" the main topic on her agenda was finding a job, or complaining about the current one she had. The main topic the ISFJ loved to discuss was gossip, "You'd never guess what happened to so-and-so!", things like that. Also, the ISTJ was less concerned with maintaining social relationships. She was loyal, but in a more hidden, underlying way. The ISFJ seemed to make an active effort in maintaining ties, even a year after I moved away.

    If an item of reading was to personify an ISTJ in general, it would be a broadsheet newspaper: informative, detailed and more concerned with current issues.

    An ISFJ would most likely be an entertainment magazine: concerned with interpersonal affairs, style & fashion, and celebrity gossip.

    I'd say humour was another thing that separated them. The ISFJ was cynical and out-right sarcastic, or quoting inside jokes between herself and another. The ISTJ was more dry and subtle, and focusing more on observations. It was a bit more ruthless and cutting than the ISFJ's. Both of them loved quoting lines from their favourite SitComs and films. Referring to Habba's post, the ISTJ's humour stemmed more from the stupidity of everyone around her, whilst the ISFJ's humour stemmed from social oddities.

    As would be expected, the ISTJ was more logical. During a group dispute, she would stand up for the one who was genuinely in the right, whilst the ISFJ would support the one who was upset. Both were generally passive in these matters, unless they were dragged into it.

    I'm trying to remember other things about them. Specific questions in distinguishing the two would be more helpful.
    Um, yeah.

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    As an ISTJ, I know a lot of people are put off me because I don't conform to the "emotional female" stereotype. But I don't feel pressured to be more F; well, sometimes when I'm in an all-female group (which is rare now), but I can't seem to do it even then. I know I seem awkward when I try to be emotional, and it's embarrassing.

    I think the ISFJ is more accommodating than the ISTJ, who might be a bit more cautious, a bit slower to form a connection. Observation is our watchword.

    On the other hand, I think when an ISTJ female is aware of what a situation is like, she can adapt to it easier than the ISFJ. I'm kind of going on what my ISFJ boyfriend is like here, so not female, but I know I'm usually more scared before going into unknown situations with lots of people, but then when we're there I'm the one who wants to stay longer and my bf quickly tires of it, never quite relaxing into it as much as me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    I know an ISTJ female and an ISFJ female. Somehow they are actually rather similar. They both appear to be quiet and peaceful sort of people. They never openly insult anyone, but behind the scenes they might say couple of bad words about certain people. I think both o them are avoiding conflicts quite a lot.

    However, they do differ. The ISFJ talks a lot more when she's in a smaller group, while the ISTJ is content just listening to people talk. Actually, the ISTJ once told me she enjoys watching and observing other people, rather than interact with them. The ISFJ is quite contrary, she's always interested in what's new in everyone's life.
    Yeah, or the ISTJ might talk but not really be listening to what the other person's saying... I know I'm guilty of that one and I'm working on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    They both have somewhat pessimistic views of the world, but the ISTJ says the world is full of morons and dumb people, and that she's the one true perfection (jokingly). The ISFJ on the other hand says that the world of is full of people that are weird or unconventional. She's confused at why they are not acting normal.

    The ISFJ seems to be questioning her abilities to succees at something a lot more.
    True, true. ISFJs seem less sure of themselves than the ISTJ, that's a key difference. Maybe we're more likely to dismiss people's opinions and criticisms than the ISFJ too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grungemouse View Post
    Also, the ISTJ was less concerned with maintaining social relationships. She was loyal, but in a more hidden, underlying way. The ISFJ seemed to make an active effort in maintaining ties, even a year after I moved away.
    Think that's true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grungemouse View Post
    I'd say humour was another thing that separated them. The ISFJ was cynical and out-right sarcastic, or quoting inside jokes between herself and another. The ISTJ was more dry and subtle, and focusing more on observations. It was a bit more ruthless and cutting than the ISFJ's. Referring to Habba's post, the ISTJ's humour stemmed more from the stupidity of everyone around her, whilst the ISFJ's humour stemmed from social oddities.

    As would be expected, the ISTJ was more logical. During a group dispute, she would stand up for the one who was genuinely in the right, whilst the ISFJ would support the one who was upset. Both were generally passive in these matters, unless they were dragged into it.
    Agree with all that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin V View Post
    ISFJ females are more sensitive and take things personally.

    ISTJ females are not as sensitive and usually takes things less personally. They tend to take on more responsibility in the workplace. They're not as concerned with feelings as ISFJs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    I know an ISTJ female and an ISFJ female. Somehow they are actually rather similar. They both appear to be quiet and peaceful sort of people. They never openly insult anyone, but behind the scenes they might say couple of bad words about certain people. I think both o them are avoiding conflicts quite a lot.

    However, they do differ. The ISFJ talks a lot more when she's in a smaller group, while the ISTJ is content just listening to people talk. Actually, the ISTJ once told me she enjoys watching and observing other people, rather than interact with them. The ISFJ is quite contrary, she's always interested in what's new in everyone's life.

    They both have somewhat pessimistic views of the world, but the ISTJ says the world is full of morons and dumb people, and that she's the one true perfection (jokingly). The ISFJ on the other hand says that the world of is full of people that are weird or unconventional. She's confused at why they are not acting normal.

    The ISFJ seems to be questioning her abilities to succees at something a lot more.
    Some good observations here.

    I do see ISFJs really being timid about their capabilities, they are usually far better at their tasks than they allow themselves to believe and just try even harder to be perfect/faithful in their duties. ISTJ women do seem more aware of the "objective" assessment of their skillsets and are less flustered by contrary judgments, nor do they always need to make peace or ensure their role in the social environment.

    The ISTJ = sees moron/dumb vs ISFJ = weird/uncoventional is something I recognized as soon as you said it. I guess it's the rational dichotomy captured by Te vs. Fe.
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    I have to say I agree with most of this, but not the part about being concerned with others. Especially not with fashion magazines or celebrity gossip. This is the first time for me to refer to MJ's death or any other famous persons death, except my younger brother.

    Not being sarcastic to my own type at all, but it's more like do you know how it makes me feel, if I feel overworked or slighted. Whatever goes on around me doesn't really affect me. Also I hate listening to gossip about others because it colors the perception I see of others and we can't hide how we feel. Once a coworker was pissed with the principal, she was known to be a complainer and I didn't want to be tainted as a black sheep along with her. I told her the best thing for her to do was to go and talk to him about it, since there isn't much I can do for you. Not that I wasn't feeling bad for her, but I would rather see solutions and not more problems.

    If she happens to be my best friend, well I would tell her to wait till we go back to my house or her house. Then she can talk until she gets it all out of her.

    So maybe that ISFJ was like that, but not all of us react the same in similar situations. There is experience, knowledge, upbringing, and so many other things that play a major factor in our actions or reactions.

    This is not against any other person's opinions, we have our rights to our own thoughts and opinions, hopefully it will help to clarify some points.

    Grungemouse this hits the nail on the head at least for me. The ISFJ's humour stemmed from social oddities. As would be expected, the ISTJ was more logical. During a group dispute, she would stand up for the one who was genuinely in the right, whilst the ISFJ would support the one who was upset. Both were generally passive in these matters, unless they were dragged into it.
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