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    Listen to me, baby, you got to understand, you're old enough to learn the makings of a man.

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    LOL at the picture.

    ISTJs often mistake "calm" for "laid back".
    Right on, I'm afraid. At least in my case I really do think that because I am not causing drama/being loud/bugging people that I am laid back. However, the vast majority of people I have asked or who have volunteered tell me emphatically that I am intense. That and the fact that we are quiet until we trust someone and so appear shallow and then, BAM, we dump a whole bunch of thoughts on the poor person at once, can make us disconcerting to deal with. My sister is an ENFP and she is a very smart girl. However, she thinks that "analyzing things" makes her head hurt (really, she actually analyzes a lot more than she realizes) and maybe it just is weird for people to be around someone that is so calm but gives off a lot of thinking/processing vibes ALL the time. I don't know how NOT to analyze everything, though! Just my thoughts after discussing this sort of thing recently...
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    I'm just not sure what you mean by serious. I always viewed Fe or ExxJs as being so fucking serious. Taking into consideration other people is a large energy expenditure to me, and when I think of it, it makes me think of my mother telling me when I was younger to do something just to be nice to someone. ExxJs are constantly evaluating their environment and telling you what is out of order. I don't really care that much. It's more about that I have my own personal goals, and I use the structure to accomplish those goals, rather than focusing on structure as a priority. Is it society's definition of "serious" as not wanting constantly socialize or participate in something that has order as a goal? I actually really like socializing and enjoy recreational activities. It's just very specific.

    In terms of socializing, I prefer very few and very intimate connections rather than a slew of friends. I find enjoyment in focusing my efforts greatly on a specific person. This makes me end up becoming more "obsessed" with someone as I enjoy the focus.

    For instance, I went to visit my grandparents, cousins and aunt yesterday. I exchanged pleasantries, had a 5 minute conversation with my grandmother and aunt at the same time, then watched as everyone else began to talk among each other. I just didn't have anything that I needed to add to the conversations. However, as I sat on the couch watching everyone, I thought, "If someone came over to me and had a very genuine interest in having a direct conversation with me, I'd be thrilled."

    I just don't see socializing as a necessity if there isn't something to be gained that adds to my own personal goals. I make it a point to try to talk to new people, but only because I've come to the conclusion that it's a weakness of mine that I'm incapable of making long term friendships. Because it's a personal weakness, I see it as something to work on. I'm just very structure oriented in my mind and can't really see any other way to conduct my life than to create routines.

    If you talk to me frequently, you'll notice that I have two words I say a lot: relevant and accomplish. I won't hesitate to ask someone, "Why is that relevant?" or "What exactly are you trying to accomplish?" I just constantly have this voice in my head telling me that I need to be more disciplined and competent. If I'm incapable of doing something or I do something wrong, I can't act like it didn't happen. I have to correct it. It's there. My pride comes from my own personal ability to accomplish what I set out to do. That's why ISTJs are the type to start something, stick to it, and finish it. The Si makes us enjoy the commitment and Te moves us to finish what we started.

    In terms of relationships, I don't see a value in relationships unless there's something I'm gaining from it. I won't add anything to a relationship if I feel it won't be worth the energy expenditure. I realized lately that with a girlfriend, I don't want someone that will affect the way I deal with my life. I want to separate the structure over my life from romantic relationships. I'm not in it for the relationship. I'm in it for the emotional fulfillment.

    If I had read a description of a perceiver 5 years ago, I would've disregarded it as people trying to justify laziness. I really do enjoy my personal leisure time, but even then, it's structured and I feel so incredibly uncomfortable just letting things be.


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    If I'm with the right people, usually people I know really well, then I can be the most entertaining, funny person. Otherwise, the truth is yes, I am very serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FC3S View Post
    More importantly when I go to prod the suspects in question, they tell me how laid back they are.

    Anyone care to bite?
    So people have answered as the OP had said they would.

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    OMG Edgar, that picture is hilarious. Looks like my roommate when he was young. Haahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    I'm just not sure what you mean by serious. I always viewed Fe or ExxJs as being so fucking serious. Taking into consideration other people is a large energy expenditure to me, and when I think of it, it makes me think of my mother telling me when I was younger to do something just to be nice to someone. ExxJs are constantly evaluating their environment and telling you what is out of order. I don't really care that much. It's more about that I have my own personal goals, and I use the structure to accomplish those goals, rather than focusing on structure as a priority. Is it society's definition of "serious" as not wanting constantly socialize or participate in something that has order as a goal? I actually really like socializing and enjoy recreational activities. It's just very specific.

    In terms of socializing, I prefer very few and very intimate connections rather than a slew of friends. I find enjoyment in focusing my efforts greatly on a specific person. This makes me end up becoming more "obsessed" with someone as I enjoy the focus.

    For instance, I went to visit my grandparents, cousins and aunt yesterday. I exchanged pleasantries, had a 5 minute conversation with my grandmother and aunt at the same time, then watched as everyone else began to talk among each other. I just didn't have anything that I needed to add to the conversations. However, as I sat on the couch watching everyone, I thought, "If someone came over to me and had a very genuine interest in having a direct conversation with me, I'd be thrilled."

    I just don't see socializing as a necessity if there isn't something to be gained that adds to my own personal goals. I make it a point to try to talk to new people, but only because I've come to the conclusion that it's a weakness of mine that I'm incapable of making long term friendships. Because it's a personal weakness, I see it as something to work on. I'm just very structure oriented in my mind and can't really see any other way to conduct my life than to create routines.

    If you talk to me frequently, you'll notice that I have two words I say a lot: relevant and accomplish. I won't hesitate to ask someone, "Why is that relevant?" or "What exactly are you trying to accomplish?" I just constantly have this voice in my head telling me that I need to be more disciplined and competent. If I'm incapable of doing something or I do something wrong, I can't act like it didn't happen. I have to correct it. It's there. My pride comes from my own personal ability to accomplish what I set out to do. That's why ISTJs are the type to start something, stick to it, and finish it. The Si makes us enjoy the commitment and Te moves us to finish what we started.

    In terms of relationships, I don't see a value in relationships unless there's something I'm gaining from it. I won't add anything to a relationship if I feel it won't be worth the energy expenditure. I realized lately that with a girlfriend, I don't want someone that will affect the way I deal with my life. I want to separate the structure over my life from romantic relationships. I'm not in it for the relationship. I'm in it for the emotional fulfillment.

    If I had read a description of a perceiver 5 years ago, I would've disregarded it as people trying to justify laziness. I really do enjoy my personal leisure time, but even then, it's structured and I feel so incredibly uncomfortable just letting things be.
    This is actually a quite enlightening post.

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    My real life experience: ISTJ's shut up and follow me. We'll make it.

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    That means improvising in case of troublle. Not everything has to carry each and every one of the 625 members of congress signatures', barack obama's signature, The approval of the entire UN, and the supreme court's positive rulling.

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    I'm pretty sure my past roommate is an ISTJ. At first I was kind of put-off by her because her personality could have been described as very "dry" and orthodox, and that sort of intimidates/depresses me, but after getting to know her I found that around certain people she could be really silly and funny. But that was only around people she seemed to really like.
    "So I say, live and let live. Thatís my motto. Live and let live.
    Anyone who canít go along with that, take him outside and shoot the motherfucker."
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