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    First of all, good work on making this interesting thread EJCC. One thing that I don't quite approve is the fact that you seem like you're speaking for all ESTJs when you probably don't know every single one.

    Anyways, since I'm on this topic I want to ask the following:
    1. How do you spend your free time
    2. How well do you deal with new people or strangers
    3. How organized are you (Home, workspace, life)
    4. How do you spend money and is money important
    5. Is anger the only emotion that you show (and no I do not have an anger management problem, haha)
    6. How laid back are you at home, at work, and with friends
    7. How much pressure or workload can or did you handle at work

    Geez...Do I ever love making lists...Well, that's all for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Ah, too bad. I live way west of you... Can we be long distance buddies?

    Random factoid #2 (and I've kind of said this already, but this is a long thread, so it bears repeating):




    A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT
    TO ALL WHO DISLIKE ESTJS BECAUSE THEY "FORCE THEIR OPINIONS ON OTHERS"


    We don't think of them as our "opinions". We think of them as "the way things are supposed to be". Black and white, you know?

    THEREFORE...

    We are NOT as arrogant as you think!

    IN ADDITION...

    If your way is more efficient, and you PROVE it to us (thereby introducing a gray into our black/white color scheme), WE CAN BE CONVINCED. It is WAY easier to convince us of things than you might think. Just because we SEEM immovable in our positions, doesn't mean an article from the New York Times, or a study done at the National Institute of Health, won't change our minds.

    THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME




    .... are there any more questions for this ESTJ?
    Yea, regarding the arrogant part: I always knew you are pussies
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Guy View Post
    First of all, good work on making this interesting thread EJCC. One thing that I don't quite approve is the fact that you seem like you're speaking for all ESTJs when you probably don't know every single one.
    Firstly, good to see another ESTJ! There need to be more of us here. After all, there are only two of us that are really well known around here.

    Secondly, in the first post of this thread I asked all other ESTJs on the forum to answer questions with me if they so chose. I've just taken charge because only one other ESTJ (WickedQueen) has helped me out on the thread, and she's not here very often. So, if it'll make you feel any better, join me! Good to have a comrade

    Thirdly, the way you phrased your objection wasn't exactly fair (no one can ever know ALL of one personality type), but I doubt you meant it like that. I realize that I'm mostly (though by NO means entirely*) speaking of myself. However, I've told people that, in many of my posts. You'll see some disclaimers in older posts such as "This may just be me, but..."

    1. How do you spend your free time
    On the computer, cleaning, reading, hanging out with friends, knitting, watching TV, doing craft projects, going to clubs, taking classes, etc.
    2. How well do you deal with new people or strangers
    I'm polite. New people like me, if/when they understand my sense of humor. I don't open up to them right away, but I think I deal with new people pretty well. When I'm in a big group of new people, and many of the new people know each other, I can be shy, but I'm not socially awkward in any stretch of the imagination.
    3. How organized are you (Home, workspace, life)
    My home and workspace vary from being reasonably clean to being an organized mess, but never get worse than that. In life, I do okay, but I'm still young, and that's something you (usually) get better at with age.
    4. How do you spend money and is money important
    Money is necessary for survival. Better to have more money to live more comfortably. I mostly use money for necessities, but I have some vices, including CDs, and sometimes I splurge in order to get the best possible quality product. (One example: I just bought a laptop, and chose to get a Macbook Pro, because, even though it was much more expensive, it was rated higher by Consumer Reports, and I tested it in a store and it worked much better than its less expensive PC counterparts.
    5. Is anger the only emotion that you show (and no I do not have an anger management problem, haha)
    Oh no. I'm incredibly expressive. I show pretty much every positive emotion I have, when I have it. I think that, in the past, I've hidden almost every negative emotion I can have EXCEPT for anger (for various reasons, including the need to not look weak). I'm guessing you're the same in this; when I get really angry, it just bursts out, and I feel like there's nothing I can do to stop it.

    6. How laid back are you at home, at work, and with friends
    I can be pretty laid back at home and with friends, but it really depends on who I'm with. If I'm with laid back people, I'm more obsessive, to counterbalance them, and vice versa. At work, though, I'm almost never laid back.
    7. How much pressure or workload can or did you handle at work
    I think I can handle a lot. There's always a stage, when I have a ton of work to do, in which I worry to death about my work quality, and/or whether I can get it all done on time, but once I get past that (and I always do), I handle it all just fine.

    Geez...Do I ever love making lists...




    *I know ESTJs irl; I've read many, MANY ESTJ type descriptions online; I've done a lot of introspection about those type descriptions and realized that even if not all them fit me, I understand how they might have the potential of fitting considering how I think; and I have MANY anecdotes from fellow TypeC members at my disposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Yea, regarding the arrogant part: I always knew you are pussies
    "When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- 'No, YOU move.'"
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    Fair enough, I should say I have not read all your posts regarding ESTJ behaviours, etc...and you do seem pretty knowledgeable with the MBTI.

    Well, it's interesting to see that we are very similar and I'd like to see WickedQueen's answers as well.

    I'm not around too often, but I'll make some contributions when I am. That means ask away if you have any questions people, I won't be here too long tonight.

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    Welcome new(er) ESTJ! Hope you stick around. British?
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    For awhile I thought my friend was an ESTP but I think he just acted that way because of a lack of discipline in his life possibly. I've been wondering about it lately, and I now think from reading this thread (and from thinking about the ESTJ type earlier tonight) that he's probably actually that type. That would explain the big differences between us. He's much more about commitment and keeping to your word than I am. I tend to think that my word is flexible because the future is unpredictable. He's all about organizing everything according to some rigid thought pattern. For some reason it didn't strike me before that this is probably his type.

    It all seemed to change after he got into the military. And wonder of wonders, he's now dating a girl who seems to definitely be an INFP.

    And, yeah, he never, ever admits that he's wrong and always thinks he's right about everything. It gets on my nerves so much.

    Would you ESTJs attest that if you hadn't had a proper authority structure growing up (especially a dad) that you wouldn't have acted as disciplined as you do? Or maybe you didn't have that and you didn't act that way before? It could just be his particular case, but I'm just searching for some validation on this idea.

    Also, he had an abusive dad for awhile.
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    I suppose it's possible. However, being an ESTJ with an INTP dad and an INFJ mom, I certainly wasn't raised in as structured an environment as some. I think I created the structure for myself. (For example, when I was a little kid, if I did something bad, my parents hardly had to discipline me at all (except to say "I'm disappointed in you") before I would feel terrible and apologize and not do it again.) But, of course, everything changes when you grow up in an effed-up household with an abusive parent.

    I will say, though, based on what little I know about ESTPs, that I relate to what they do a WHOLE lot. If I didn't put so much emphasis on authority, and if I had the guts to stick it to the man whenever I felt so inclined, I might act like an ESTP. So, I suppose, hypothetically, if I were raised in an environment where everyone questioned authority, I would disrespect it too (and, in so doing, follow authority by questioning a different authority, if you understand what I mean), and if my peers/family weren't organized, I wouldn't be organized either. The behaviors of ESTJs are REALLY shaped by the people around them,* and that can't be emphasized enough.

    That was a very interesting profile/question! Thank you for asking. I think that was the first question I've had from an ESTP.


    *which is why, in my opinion, ESTJs are such an incredibly diverse group of people, compared with other types.
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    Wow, thanks for the insight! That makes perfect sense.

    For a little more info, he was raised by his mom alone until probably first grade age. His mom's kind of a funny creature, I guess her personality's been shaped alot by her now-husband, and I never knew her before he came along. I heard she's alot stricter now than she was, though, and that she was more easygoing before. I'm not entirely sure if she's an ESTJ or ESFJ. (She does very well as a project manager for Chase Bank and is now a vice president, whereas she started from very humble roots.)

    By the way, I've heard that the behavior of all Guardian types (SJs) are shaped by the people around them. That makes even more sense to me in regards to SFJs, actually, but I guess as a group that's true. That's from the mouth of Keirsey's son himself, btw.

    Anyways, at about that early age is when he got an abusive stepdad. When he was about middle-school age is when I met him and his current stepdad started dating his mom. He's alot better person, though very strict.

    My friend always hated the strictness, and he hated the military because of their BS, but strangely enough he wants to get back in it because of how well they take care of their people.

    He definitely can tolerate it much better than I would ever be able to. I've always been extremely high on the P scale, I think testing 100% or close to before. He tried to encourage me to join, but pretty much always gets a big "NO". hahaha.

    Of course, he did have a penchant for questioning authority whenever he could and calling them out on their violation of rules when he was in the Navy. He wasn't afraid of anybody or anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP2525 View Post
    Welcome new(er) ESTJ! Hope you stick around. British?
    Thanks for the welcome, and no unfortunately I am not British. I'm from one of Britain's child countries though.

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