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    ENFP / ESTJ


    Do you ESTJs relate to any of this? If so, which parts?

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    INTP / ESTJ


    Do the ESTJs recognise any of this? If so, which parts?

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    INFJ / ESTJ


    Do any of the ESTJs relate to this? If so, which parts?
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    ISTJ / ESTJ


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    continued ISTJ/ESTJ relations...



    Since @Sil talked about ISTJ vs ESTJ, I thought I would include this one too. So, again, which parts would the ESTJ relate to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chubber View Post
    continued ISTJ/ESTJ relations...



    Since @Sil talked about ISTJ vs ESTJ, I thought I would include this one too. So, again, which parts would the ESTJ relate to?
    So much reading material...I'll get through this probably over a couple of days. If not, I've forgotten about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    So much reading material...I'll get through this probably over a couple of days. If not, I've forgotten about it.
    You said I should watch this space. So here I am watching...

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    Will reply in more detail via PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    It sounds like you're picking up on a fairly significant amount of discordance between us that might not be entirely accounted for by instinctual stacking.

    Re: ENFP. It's possible I use a significantly larger amount of Ne than you. The only hitch with ENFP for me is that 1) I've never related to posts by ENFPs and 2) inferior Fi is pretty accurate for me.
    Reinforces ENTJ in my mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    Oh, that's unexpected. I'm quite surprised you don't relate to it at all. Especially about emotions pulling you into the present. Where do emotions take you on a past-present-future scale? Or do they not extend to that at all?
    They either take me into the past, or they take me so far into my own head that time is irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    Do you generally perceive your emotions more in terms of usefulness (both practically and in terms of moral guidance)? Do you ever play around with your own emotions to just explore them as things?
    I don't like exploring my own emotions unless I have a goal. Though I suppose I generally don't like doing anything unless I have a goal. I don't have much patience for purposeless things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    What kind of state do strong emotions bring you to?
    Chaos. If the emotions are negative, then add confusion and alarm to that.

    Also, embarrassment after the fact. This is the case with strong positive emotions too. (I think that's more e1 than MBTI.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    Huh. I wasn't aware anything I said was distinctly non-one. But it's been awhile since I delved into the enneagram, so my knowledge isn't what it used to be.

    Do you also rule out 5w6 and 6w5 now?
    I don't think I'm ruling them out? Not sure. But at this point I'm leaning more towards 5w4 than 5w6.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    I use Si to engage in what I would call "sensation matching." Say I am standing at a street corner and am suddenly struck by a sensation. I can quickly take that sensation and run it through my internal database of past experiences to find matching sensations from previous experiences. I can identify not only what triggered the sensation in the present, but identify past moments that are sensationally congruent with the sensation I am currently experiencing.

    Sensation primarily refers to a set of feelings/ideas/thoughts that are subjectively connected with a point in time. Or multiple points in time. They may or may not be at all related to what was actually happening at that point in time.

    Si for me is largely involuntary.
    I guess that could be Si. But to be honest it could also be Se with a good memory. I'm usually not aware of specific sensations, as much as I'm aware of something generally feeling "wrong". Only then can I zero in on it.

    Edit: I am so rarely in the present moment that it's actually kind of hard to talk about physical sensations unless they're REALLY strange relative to "the usual". In that sense, your description of Si works, because at any given moment, I'm not really looking at my surroundings, so much as I'm looking at the general concept of my surroundings. How they relate to my prior experience of them, how they measure up to the Platonic ideal of them. Even when I'm in a brand new environment, I'm not in the moment, because I'm so disoriented by the lack of Platonic ideals. The lack of precedent to go from. I go into planning mode, and try to decide what potentially similar things can act as an interim precedent.
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    @chubber


    whyyyyyyy

    the text is so much
    the reading is freaking long
    i cannot focus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sil View Post
    @chubber


    whyyyyyyy

    the text is so much
    the reading is freaking long
    i cannot focus


    Concentrate, look in my eye...

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