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    What??? :confused:
    Who didn't I answer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    1. Prove to them logically that your method works too. Argue your case. That should get 'em off your back (if they're healthy, that is, and care more about the job than about their own power).
    2. Do you mean, "how do you show an ESTJ" or "how does an ESTJ show"?
    3. Do you mean, like, in a domestic situation? If you do... then what would need to happen is a bit of a heart-to-heart with them in private. Very direct, but not accusatory. (Also, better to do this when they're in a good mood, so they don't take it really personally. They still might get a little upset, but I think that's probably typical.)
    Good answesr, again, thanks!

    1. I think I won't be too good in arguing with ESTJ.... I generally don't like arguing with anybody...
    2. I mean: How do you show an ESTJ...?
    3. Yes, domestic. Very direct is very difficult for me. I think ENFP-ESTJ relationship in the real life is very difficult because we are very different. I can only be direct when angry and then they'll be offended, I think. And it simply won't work I guess....

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    Post #193 but its ok. I never expected to be part of your little party here... have fun you all

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Well, this is the internet. Things are very different here. You aren't risking as much when you discuss your emotions. You don't have to see their facial expressions or anything.

    Additional note: When I'm in a weird/bad/tired/stressed mood, and I start overanalyzing things/myself too much, that smiley timeline goes more like this:
    :eek: etc. etc. etc.
    Not that I'll show that to anyone.

    Behold, the inner thoughts of the ESTJ! Be amazed!!
    Don't feel bad/weird/tired/stressed...keep in mind we are talking about other ESTJ's that may or may not be as in touch with their emotions as you...and may not be as unselfish. But also, everyone has faults and even though ESTJ may have these traits I still wouldn't give up my friendship with my ESTJ for anything! (Believe me, it's been tested!!) I wuv's yous guys
    ~luck favors the ready~


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    Lol, yeah, probably.
    I keep forgetting that being a girl has anything to do with anything... if that makes sense. And I'd rather that it didn't! But it does.
    :yim_rolling_on_the_ How come I never meet any XSTJ girls IRL?! I feel so alone! Tee hee.

    Poor entropie *pats on head*
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Lol, yeah, probably.
    I keep forgetting that being a girl has anything to do with anything... if that makes sense. And I'd rather that it didn't! But it does.
    Are you implying that you would rather be a guy?
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    Crap! Sorry entropie! I'll answer it right now:
    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Why are people in general so stubborn and so less open for different opinions on reality ?
    When people believe certain things about reality, it's usually a very personal thing - like religion, almost. So when it's challenged, they won't be as logical as they might have been with other topics.

    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    No. Not even close. Next thing ya know...the ESTJs will have to lobby for hate crimes laws to the bill writers of Type/c. Then, the xNxxs will appeal to the courts with an arguement of equal fairness for the other 15. Could even become an ESTJ civil rights issue. It is starting to appear that you are getting asked to the back of the bus by the majority in this entity
    Nah, not really. I used to feel like that (it's the reason why I joined TypeC in the first place), but the vast majority of people here are interested in what the ESTJs have to say. And for those who aren't... I can only hope that the prescence of me and WickedQueen and others will prove them wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amira View Post
    :yim_rolling_on_the_ How come I never meet any XSTJ girls IRL?! I feel so alone! Tee hee.
    You understand what I meant??? Thank you!!
    YES! Power to the xSTJ women! Who... don't think much about... their... woman-ness... yeah. LOL.
    But seriously. I second all those smileys.

    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    1. I think I won't be too good in arguing with ESTJ.... I generally don't like arguing with anybody...
    Well... maybe I don't mean "arguing". I just mean... explain your viewpoint as best you can. If they ask you questions like "but what about this?", then answer. I dunno if that's really "arguing". It's just a back-and-forth. You know how ESTJs think out loud.

    2. I mean: How do you show an ESTJ...?
    OK... well, you can probably tell them directly what's appreciated (as long as you're in private). But with regard to what's not appreciated... I guess that you could tell them that in private, too. You're an ENFP, so I don't need to tell you how to approach it - you guys are better at this sort of thing than I could ever hope to be. They won't enjoy it, but it's better than all the other options I can think of. Just... whatever you do... DON'T tell them something bad about them in front of other people who could overhear. They'll hate you for it.

    3. Yes, domestic. Very direct is very difficult for me. I think ENFP-ESTJ relationship in the real life is very difficult because we are very different. I can only be direct when angry and then they'll be offended, I think. And it simply won't work I guess....
    No, no! Don't give up yet! It can work.
    I think what I meant by "direct" was that... you shouldn't try to send them small, indirect messages about it. We aren't very subtle people, usually, so they might not get the message. Just... tell them how you've been feeling. And like I said before, I trust you to go about that in a tactful, kind way. I like ENFPs (I dunno if other ESTJs do, but I do), and I know that they almost always mean well, so I think that ESTJs would be more likely to understand that you're not trying to insult them, than they would be if another type was telling them that.

    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    Are you implying that you would rather be a guy?
    I think this is the second time you've misinterpreted what I said into meaning that I want to be a man, d@v3. I guess I understand what you mean... it's a weird thing. I'm fine being a girl. I'd be okay being a guy, but I like being a girl. I won't go into the reasons why it would suck to be a guy, because some of those reasons are... anatomical.
    But anyways, what I meant by that was that I would hope that the way I act is how a PERSON would act. Not necessarily a woman. I would LIKE to think that all ESTJs think very similarly, regardless of gender. And it sucks to remember that, yes, women tend to be more emotional, and yes, they tend to act and think differently. But I wish that wasn't true.
    It's not wanting to be a guy. It's wanting gender to not be an issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Crap! Sorry entropie! I'll answer it right now:

    When people believe certain things about reality, it's usually a very personal thing - like religion, almost. So when it's challenged, they won't be as logical as they might have been with other topics.
    So you think when a person believes that in the nazi regime for example back in those days, Hitler is gonna be her/his saviour and she/he really believes it out of her/his heart, I should respect her/his feelings and not tell her/him what I think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    So you think when a person believes that in the nazi regime for example back in those days, Hitler is gonna be her/his saviour and she/he really believes it out of her/his heart, I should respect her/his feelings and not tell her/him what I think ?
    Oh, you can tell them. Feel free! But they'll probably yell at you and promptly ignore everything you said, whether it's logical or not.
    Disturbing, deeply held beliefs like that are what de-programming is for I believe they've started doing that with former al-Quaeda members, somewhere in Saudi Arabia. Heard about it in a news podcast.
    EJCC: "The Big Questions in my life right now: 1) What am I willing to live with? 2) What do I have to live with? 3) What can I change for the better?"
    Coriolis: "Is that the ESTJ Serenity Prayer?"

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    want to ask me something? go for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    Oh, you can tell them. Feel free! But they'll probably yell at you and promptly ignore everything you said, whether it's logical or not.
    Disturbing, deeply held beliefs like that are what de-programming is for I believe they've started doing that with former al-Quaeda members, somewhere in Saudi Arabia. Heard about it in a news podcast.
    Well I didnt want to pick on you and I see from your fast responses that you maybe not comfortable with me being here. I was just trieing to find out how humane a real estj is, cause I thought myself a long time I could be one and I hadnt got much of a chance besides some people to get to know one.

    Just wanted to find out, if you actually think for yourself or just play a recording and I think I did.

    My conclusion: Some people will always play a recording, no matter what their type is, can be all of the 16.

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