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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    That sort of discussion, as I understand it, is going to really stress out an Fe-user. They'll see it as hostile, and that hostility will frustrate them and make it less likely for them to trust them as a source of accurate facts -- which is where the Fe/Te difference comes in. Fe -- again, as I understand it -- cares much more about presentation, when they decide who to listen to and who to trust.

    Edit: A conservative (in the general sense of the word) ESTJ will probably also be kind of cranky if he or she is corrected rudely -- but they will be quick to adopt your opinion if you win the argument. They'll grumble and likely never say "you're right", but soon enough you'll see them spouting off your opinion as if it was theirs all along.
    So I'm ENFJ, but I definitely can relate to that part. This is a really good distinction between Fe and Te (and I see it as independent of the N/S axis too).

    I was raised by an ESTJ father and an INFJ mother (divorced at age 3 so they were apart nearly all my life), and around my father I had to try and keep things from a Te like perspective. I failed miserably as a child for a variety of reasons, but as I got older I learned and to this still emulate it.

    Most of the time, I make a semi-conscious effort to learn the fact as they are, approach them as they are, and deal with it as is. It's a super important skill that I feel is really needed in life, so I have adopted it. However, presentation is important. I can tollerate pretty much any sort of presentation. I've learned how to detatch well, but I will never be perfect at it. If it is too far out of alignment with how I see it should be presented, it does put pressure on me and can be extremely stressful. Even if something is 100% right, and I can see it be the case in every way, if something is presented super poorly, I find myself resenting the person doing it, and even looking for way to find how it is wrong "This is being presented so badly, it's so wrong, there is no way this can be rignt! AHHH!". I'll eventually swallow it, but I will be kicking and screaming the whole way there, and someone may need to drag me.
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    *steals @EJCC's thunder*

    Ask me questions you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    *steals @EJCC's thunder*

    Ask me questions you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    No. You're not a real ESTJ.
    Jarlaxle: fact checking this thread makes me want to go all INFP on my wrists

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain curmudgeon View Post
    No. You're not a real ESTJ.
    Yes I am. It says so under my avi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    *steals @EJCC's thunder*

    Ask me questions you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nørrsken impersonating EJCC
    It's strange. I keep banning morons, but they keep signing up? What is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chanaynay View Post
    *steals @EJCC's thunder*

    Ask me questions you guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    as a Te-dom, what's something you HATE about Te-tert users?
    You hem me in -- behind and before;
    you have laid your hand upon me.
    Such knowledge is too wonderful for me,
    too lofty for me to attain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    as a Te-dom, what's something you HATE about Te-tert users?
    They a bunch of bitch ass hoes

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    Do estjs find it easy to form habits and adhere to them?

    Work from this time to this.
    Study fom this time to this.

    If so (which is theoretically easier for sj) i think sjs are ver lucky.

    Success is a matter of forming good habits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Do estjs find it easy to form habits and adhere to them?

    Work from this time to this.
    Study fom this time to this.

    If so (which is theoretically easier for sj) i think sjs are ver lucky.

    Success is a matter of forming good habits.
    ~Riva~
    To be honest I think it depends on how J the SJ in question is. I know other Js who are much better about it than me -- some are SJs, some aren't. But I dunno -- in theory I would think ISxJs would be better at it than ESxJs, because of the Si front and center telling them what goals are realistic and how long each goal will take. My weakness is that I overestimate how much I can accomplish in any given day.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nørrsken impersonating EJCC
    It's strange. I keep banning morons, but they keep signing up? What is this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    To be honest I think it depends on how J the SJ in question is. I know other Js who are much better about it than me -- some are SJs, some aren't. But I dunno -- in theory I would think ISxJs would be better at it than ESxJs, because of the Si front and center telling them what goals are realistic and how long each goal will take. My weakness is that I overestimate how much I can accomplish in any given day.
    I am actually excellent at this. I plan everything by running it through in my head and breaking down how long everything will take, generally pretty accurately. I almost always arrive places within 2-3 minutes of when I estimate that I will.
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