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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    I just wanted to say: I'm quite entertained by the way you guys are coming across almost like badass ESTPs, but very...responsible, organized, serious-minded badass ESTPS.
    Por quoi??

    Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by feisty View Post
    Por quoi??

    Just wondering.
    The cupcake/brass knuckles tattoo, the fact that you enjoy cooking but the guy can get the hell out of your kitchen if he makes any assumptions, etc... It was meant as a compliment, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    @Halla74: I'm not sure how much you know re: knitting but I'm gonna give the whole spiel anyway so if I sound like I'm underestimating your knitting ability then I apologize in advance.

    Here is...
    EJCC's Guide to Getting Into Knitting


    First thing you wanna do: Buy some yarn and needles!
    Places like Michael's or JoAnn Fabrics are great for cheap stuff -- but you get MUCH better service if you go to a local yarn store, where the people who work there are expert knitters and probably knit all the display/sample sweaters/scarves/etc themselves.
    I'd recommend either buying a combination of
    Worsted Weight Yarn and Size 8 needles, or
    Bulky Yarn and Size 10 or 11 needles.
    You're gonna be making hats, so I'd suggest that you buy circular needles -- and plastic needles are the best option for beginners, since metal needles tend to slip out (which could mean undoing a lot of your work), and wood needles are more expensive.
    Acrylic yarn = also cheaper. Red Heart Super Saver is great for worsted weight yarn, if that's the kind you decide to get.

    Next thing: Find a pattern!
    You may be tempted to make your own pattern right from the start -- or at least, to use a pattern with a different yarn or needle size than recommended -- but I've got to discourage that, not just as an ESTJ but as a knitter. There's a reason why they say that you learn the rules so you can break them. One of my first patterns, I made with too many stitches, and the scarf ended up being both shorter and wider than it was supposed to and is practically unwearable as a result.
    So if you want to find free patterns, I highly recommend getting a Ravelry account. Ravelry is technically a knitting social networking site, but a lot of people use it just for the patterns or -- if you're like my dad -- just to admire everyone's work, in a similar way to admiring people's shops on Etsy without buying anything. Once you have an account, there are literally tens of thousands of free patterns at your disposal, and there's a fantastic search engine within the site where you can search by yarn size, needle size, keyword, pattern difficulty, etc.

    Final task: Knitting the damn thing!
    There are two basic ways to knit: Continental knitting and English knitting. I highly recommend trying them both out and seeing which one you're most comfortable with. Most people seem to learn English style, but I know Continental and I like it better not just because it's more comfortable but because it's -- no exaggeration -- about five times faster.
    This video series on knitting English style seems pretty good (i.e. knittingtipsbyjudy):
    [YOUTUBE="APSqlPSz1Eo"]Casting On: English Style[/YOUTUBE]
    [YOUTUBE="4xho-iQdGNE"]Knit Stitch: English Style[/YOUTUBE]
    And these are pretty good for Continental style (I've used some of these videos for more advanced techniques before):
    [YOUTUBE="75v-grTENJ4"]Casting On: Continental Style[/YOUTUBE]
    [YOUTUBE="_9XImtoQmZ8"]Knit Stitch: Continental Style[/YOUTUBE]

    And that's the gist!

    Let me know if you have more questions!
    Congratulations! You have just won the internet!



    P.S. If I baked you a pie, what flavor would you like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    The cupcake/brass knuckles tattoo, the fact that you enjoy cooking but the guy can get the hell out of your kitchen if he makes any assumptions, etc... It was meant as a compliment, btw.
    Haha okay I see. I didn't take it as anything less I just wondered who you were referring to... and thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by feisty View Post
    Haha okay I see. I didn't take it as anything less I just wondered who you were referring to... and thank you
    Along those lines; do you guys (ESTJs) feel a kinship with ESTPs, in general? Or not?

    In many respects I would think you'd be soooo different. But sometimes I seem to see odd similarities popping out. I've also heard it said that especially young ESTJs who are trying things out could come across very ESTP. (Although I wonder if that might not be the case for some other types too...)
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    ESTJ, ESTP and ENTJ have this leadership type quality to them, even though I know some of them don't always want to be that or mean to convey that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    Congratulations! You have just won the internet!

    I'm not sure if I was THAT impressive... but thanks.
    P.S. If I baked you a pie, what flavor would you like?
    Pumpkin! I've been craving it ever since the leaves started turning.

    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Along those lines; do you guys (ESTJs) feel a kinship with ESTPs, in general? Or not?

    In many respects I would think you'd be soooo different. But sometimes I seem to see odd similarities popping out. I've also heard it said that especially young ESTJs who are trying things out could come across very ESTP. (Although I wonder if that might not be the case for some other types too...)
    I think they can seem very similar, depending on the people -- for example, when I'm in a particularly adventurous/brash/excitable mood I might come across as that? And when, as you saw on this thread, I feel like people are unjustly trying to force me to be or act a certain way, my resistance may come across as ESTP (or as type 8, which I often mistype as).
    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    ESTJ, ESTP and ENTJ have this leadership type quality to them, even though I know some of them don't always want to be that or mean to convey that.
    I see that in common too, yeah. And I don't think we mean for it to be a leadership quality, like you said. We just exude this air of complete certainty, that when people aren't certain then they defer to us. For example, sometimes people assume that I'm an expert at things when I'm not. It can be awkward to tell them "I'm just thinking out loud! Really! I have no idea if anything I just said is true!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by EJCC View Post
    I see that in common too, yeah. And I don't think we mean for it to be a leadership quality, like you said. We just exude this air of complete certainty, that when people aren't certain then they defer to us. For example, sometimes people assume that I'm an expert at things when I'm not. It can be awkward to tell them "I'm just thinking out loud! Really! I have no idea if anything I just said is true!!"
    Haha, has this ever gotten you into any kind of trouble?

    Actually, around someone like me it could be awkward, I admit. Well, not with most things...but if it's something that impacts me or I deeply care about, and then it turns out to be more thinking aloud than certainty, I can get a bit
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    Haha, has this ever gotten you into any kind of trouble?
    Not sure! But if anyone ever got into a bad situation because of advice I gave on this thread, then that would be a pretty good example!
    Actually, around someone like me it could be awkward, I admit. Well, not with most things...but if it's something that impacts me or I deeply care about, and then it turns out to be more thinking aloud than certainty, I can get a bit
    And your reaction would be completely justified. I always get embarrassed when that happens -- and I backpedal very very fast! Kind of like what a certain member who dubs himself the Prince of Light tends to do all the time Tends to happen when you don't Si before you speak and your Ne talks for you!
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    want to ask me something? go for it!

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    I haven't noticed you having to backpedal much so far

    On the whole, would you say that you guys tend to do more saying what you mean long-term/choosing your words carefully and thinking about them before you speak; or more thinking aloud, somewhat making it up as you go along? Or does that vary quite a bit from individual ESTJ to individual?
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