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    If someone commit a crime for which the standard punishment was hanging, drawing and quartering in public - and the criminal was PROVEN guilty beyond all possible doubt, would you support the execution since it was fair, standard procedure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcockburn View Post
    If someone commit a crime for which the standard punishment was hanging, drawing and quartering in public - and the criminal was PROVEN guilty beyond all possible doubt, would you support the execution since it was fair, standard procedure?
    If I thought that hanging, drawing and quartering in public was a fair punishment for anything, then yes. But in my opinion, no one deserves that -- and public executions make me feel horrible about humanity.

    It's not about standard procedure, with ESTJs -- it's about our internal, gut feelings of right and wrong (i.e. Fi), and those feelings are often independent of the law. Only when they're in sync, will we be law-abiding.
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    ^And if the ESTJ's gut feelings are out of sync with the law, they'll change the law. According to standard procedure. That's how an ESTJ works.
    Fi - I feel this is wrong! It should be changed to that!
    Te - Let's get on with this. What's the best way to get our wish?
    Si - Here's a list of possible ways.
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    ^ EXACTLY.
    EJCC: "The Big Questions in my life right now: 1) What am I willing to live with? 2) What do I have to live with? 3) What can I change for the better?"
    Coriolis: "Is that the ESTJ Serenity Prayer?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamske View Post
    ^And if the ESTJ's gut feelings are out of sync with the law, they'll change the law. According to standard procedure. That's how an ESTJ works.
    Fi - I feel this is wrong! It should be changed to that!
    Te - Let's get on with this. What's the best way to get our wish?
    Si - Here's a list of possible ways.
    But what if the ESTJ is not in a position to change the law? If they care enough will they try to PUT THEMSELVES in a position to influence the law? Or will they just try to forget about it? serious question, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilkRoad View Post
    But what if the ESTJ is not in a position to change the law? If they care enough will they try to PUT THEMSELVES in a position to influence the law? Or will they just try to forget about it? serious question, actually.
    Yeah, definitely, if they care enough. But to an extent, everyone is like that -- if they care about something enough, they feel like they have to act. I'll bet you especially relate to that as an INFJ; most of the INFJs I know are either activists or activists-at-heart. But the difference with ESTJs is that they are so practical and goal-oriented -- so if they don't think rebellion against the system will do any good, then they probably won't really rebel (except maybe symbolically and out of frustration, e.g. flipping off a cop behind his back). Which is why they'll go to whatever lengths they feel they have to, in order to make a difference, if they care enough; and I think a lot of ESTJs subscribe to the idea that the best way to change a system is to become a part of it and change it from within, instead of aggressively trying to attack it from the outside.
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    ^Yup, all makes sense!
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    ESTJs, do you just show your Ne to those that you are really comfortable with? You know, the silly, goofy teasing stuff.

    Also, even though there are times when I am serious, my ESTJ will go into this teasing and playfully poking mode. Even when I get upset, he'll just say something like, "Aw, you mad? Come here and let me give you a hug. That's what you wanted anyway...you should've just asked me. I can't tell you no." Sometimes I have to smile but sometimes it is irritating as hell (and yes--he knows that it will totally irritate me at times). Why does he do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    ESTJs, do you just show your Ne to those that you are really comfortable with? You know, the silly, goofy teasing stuff.

    Also, even though there are times when I am serious, my ESTJ will go into this teasing and playfully poking mode. Even when I get upset, he'll just say something like, "Aw, you mad? Come here and let me give you a hug. That's what you wanted anyway...you should've just asked me. I can't tell you no." Sometimes I have to smile but sometimes it is irritating as hell (and yes--he knows that it will totally irritate me at times). Why does he do this?
    Is he by any chance intoxicated? Or a closet ENFP? :P
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    ESTJs -- do you ever find that people get angry/offended if you assert yourself, no matter how diplomatically you do it?

    People in general, not just those close to you. It's pissing me off.
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