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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    My brother and his wife are religious SJs and though they can sometimes stick to orthodoxy and convention for it's own sake, the thing about traditions they seem to get into are of the celebratory type. Birthdays are always remembered and acknowledged. Christmas celebrations are attended to with shopping done in advance to get the best deals on gifts. These things are about family and making one another feel loved and appreciated and the children feel life is predictable and secure.
    So their goal in adhering to a tradition is more informal and based on people/the physical environment than mine is. I was also trying to figure out if SJ's tended to be more oriented by space, and NJ's by time, because I was checking the assumption from Socionics.
    They are not mindless drones doing things because that's how they've always been done. They are trying to make life special and nurturing for the people they care about. I admire it, though I'm not so good at it myself. I'm not that great at planning ahead.
    Did I imply that they were? I never said that. I just read type descriptions, get a mental picture of what the types are like, and then want to test ideas about them to see what they look like, so I can refine these ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    Did I imply that they were? I never said that. I just read type descriptions, get a mental picture of what the types are like, and then want to test ideas about them to see what they look like, so I can refine these ideas.
    Wasn't directed at you but at a common stereotype.
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    When you ask why I value a tradition, I think of holidays. I really don't like change, and that's why I think keep a few things constant each year helps... like for example, always watching fireworks with my best friend on the 4th of July or taking my mom out to her favorite restaurant on her birthday. Ever since I was a little kid, I always wanted to celebrate holidays the same way we did last year. I also value holidays/traditions because they bring me closer to people. I really don't remember "developing" any sort of value for it.. as far as I can remember, I've always been like this. Oh yeah, I don't really celebrate Christmas, Easter, or Valentine's Day (I really think that vday is stupid, but that's another story...)


    Well.. my alarm goes off at 6:00 AM, I hit the snooze until about 6:30, listen to music and get ready. Then I probably eat something and leave the house at 7:30, get to school around 7:45 and sit in my classroom for 15 minutes. In between classes I just listen to my iPod and sit and do homework. When I get home I eat, call up my best friend to see if we're doing anything, or if I have work, I just hang out at home until I have to work. When I'm not working I'm probably hanging out with my friends or working out. Dinner isn't that big of a deal to me... I just eat whenever I get home, but half the time I eat outside of the house anyway. Before I go to bed I usually listen to music, go on AIM, or write in my journal and I try to go to bed before midnight.
    I bet they'll put something in the air tonight, just to light your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlnamedbless View Post
    .l.. my alarm goes off at 6:00 AM, I hit the snooze until about 6:30, listen to music and get ready. Then I probably eat something and leave the house at 7:30...
    And why on earth do you put the alarm one and half hour before the time you need to be going?????
    I wish I could do that. If I ever need to wake up before 8:00, I need like one million alarms ringing all around the room

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrailway View Post
    And why on earth do you put the alarm one and half hour before the time you need to be going?????
    I wish I could do that. If I ever need to wake up before 8:00, I need like one million alarms ringing all around the room
    We're J's, silly. I do practically the same thing, and I'm always nervous, impatient, and trying to take care of everything when I have a place to be. It really drives my P mother insane, who doesn't think we need to leave or hurry before ten minutes before it's time to go, and I feel crazy if I have to cut something that close.

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    At our house it's the other way around. I get up at the last minute and hit the ground running and the INTP sets his alarm early enough to get ready for work at a fairly leisurely pace.
    “There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    We're J's, silly. I do practically the same thing, and I'm always nervous, impatient, and trying to take care of everything when I have a place to be. It really drives my P mother insane, who doesn't think we need to leave or hurry before ten minutes before it's time to go, and I feel crazy if I have to cut something that close.

    This is weird, as I do the exact same thing as girlnamedbless, I set the alarm for 30 minutes before I need to wake up and use snooze for that 30 minutes. I am never late to the appointments I keep, and I get organised for those things the evening before.

    I also feel crazy if I haven;t left myself enough time to take my time.
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    It's not so much as traditional...

    To me, as long as it's efficient, I will coincide with it, if it has become obsolete, it's time to adapt new methods of doing things.

    Personally, I don't like tradition if it doesn't work towards a certain purpose.

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    And what's w/ this alarm clock thing? ><;

    If it helps, I set my alarm clock such that I finish all the required tasks w/ sufficient cushion time in case of delays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    I'm so glad you said that, this stereotype image of the SJ being all traditional, has made me so confused about my best friend who is an ISFJ, she is about as untraditional as you can get, was a traveller, a hippy, an anarchist, all those things that SJ's are not described as.

    So it's totally possible for an SJ to create their own traditional twist on life?
    Was she born into an untraditional family? The only way I'm able to make ISFJ fit for me is if I take into account my unusual upbringing. I kind of like to do the opposite of what's expected of me sometimes, and question things that others take for granted, but I think I learned that from my mother. So, in an ironic twist, I may be using rebellion as my tradition.
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    From another thread, but relevant here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200
    As bad as it is, they keep themselves inside their "comfort zones." And from what I've experienced of SJ's, it actually seems like they're more concerned about not leaving their comfort zones than they are about preserving traditions, although the two often go hand in hand.

    I prefer to stay within a comfort zone myself, but I'm willing to let go a little bit at a time to get where I want to be, while they see the comfort zone its self as "the" goal. Does that make sense?
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