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    If things are going smoothly, why change? If things are NOT going smoothly, then change is a necessity. However, I do get sick of doing the same things sometimes so like Cimarron said, I'll switch some of the unimportant things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    SJ's are not afraid to change their underwear.
    I don't wear underwear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    If things are going smoothly, why change?
    Because things can always get better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Because things can always get better.
    If we can see concrete proof that the change will make a situation better, then we will be more likely to make the change. Other than that, how do you KNOW it will make things better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    If we can see concrete proof that the change will make a situation better, then we will be more likely to make the change. Other than that, how do you KNOW it will make things better?
    How can you get proof if the change hasn't happened yet? We can only speculate. There's only one way to find out.

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    Having things predictable feels good. Puts me at ease, and I like that. That's my explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    How can you get proof if the change hasn't happened yet? We can only speculate. There's only one way to find out.
    If somebody else has made the change, we will see how it turned out for them. If not, then you are right, we can only speculate- in this case, we speculate for quite a while until we are satisfied the change will be worth it.

    And yes, predictability = 1 less thing to worry about!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Watching and reading many posts made by SJ I have come to conclusion that SJs have this fear but for many cases the word fear is probably too strong. Especially if we are talking about very small things.

    So, why you try to avod changes ?
    I presume that it has something to do with Si.


    Nothing of this is actually unknown. But in what I am actually interested in is how big this changes have to be that you sense them.
    I am talking about two cases.
    1.Changes in arrangement of objects.
    2.Changes in the ways how system(s) work.


    What kind of changes you find annoying?
    How often you are afraid that you will not be flexibile enough?
    How calming for you is that you can visualize the actual change/problem?



    Also I am interested in what SJs think about idea of rearranging the entire system and what SJs think about crashing it completly? (So that the better one can be formed).

    Feel free to take term "system" in the way you find the most suitable for explaining your interests.
    SJ's do not "fear" change... they resist it.
    The goal is to preserve tradition.
    You cannot fully preserve tradition AND fully embrace change at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    If we can see concrete proof that the change will make a situation better, then we will be more likely to make the change. Other than that, how do you KNOW it will make things better?
    I am sorry if this sounds narcisstic but having a N can really help you with this. Many times we start changes exactly because we can see the outcome clearly. But there are some differences between NPs and NJs when it comes to this.



    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    SJ's do not "fear" change... they resist it.
    The goal is to preserve tradition.
    You cannot fully preserve tradition AND fully embrace change at the same time.
    I used word fear since it is easy to send a clear message this way.
    But I have said that this word is probably too harsh for this.

    On the other hand I predict that there are realistic chances that changes can trigger an observable level of fear in SFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
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    I used word fear since it is easy to send a clear message this way.
    But I have said that this word is probably too harsh for this.

    On the other hand I predict that there are realistic chances that changes can trigger an observable level of fear in SFJ.
    Maybe so, but your OP is a broad generalization applied to all SJs and therefore, I responded to you in the same manner.
    Not only that, but there's too willing of a tendency to cast stereotypes in a negative light.
    It can just as easily be explained in a positive light which honors those who are that way.

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