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    Before this thread gets too serious for me, I would like to humbly request that this community develop anti-black magic measures to contain @Forever's rampant necromancy.

    It is starting to make me uncomfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    I don't recall you being overly overjoyed when I suggested that you might be an ISFJ. Everyone pretends to be openly accepting of the equal value of all types, but at the end of the day no one wants to be an SJ. It is what it is. They distance themselves from the notion that they might be one by propogating these stereotypes, paying their dues by pretending to acknowledge the 'strengths' of these types, but doing so in a way that frequently is used as a way to contrast their self developed personas against those characteristics.

    Oh I Loves Me some ISTJ's they are such hard workers(mindless drones that I am not), such loyal friends(again), who can put up with all my wild creative energy that I just can't contain(Look guys I am NOT an SJ- I am nothing like them at all, though I myself DON't - and you can't say that I have anything agaisnt them cus look I gaves them the compliments... I'm an NP, not a boring uncreative SJ. But now it is a win win.)
    Thanks for saying this. Though I think the SJ stereotypes are only based off MBTI and Keirsey. Socionics seems to be relatively free of bias towards them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    Actually, I would enjoy it .

    Some of the best people I know and have known are SJ's.

    I really have absolutely no idea where your rage on this is coming from, and even so I suspect it is coming from unsubstantiated reasons based nothing more off personal bias.



    That's not the point of the thread. If you really want to talk about it, make a different thread on it. I can assure though it won't turn out well. Nothing good comes from shitting on other types, no matter how much you might dislike them.
    I could possibly believe this from you, but not from a large base of the forum. There is heavy unspoken low grade self predjudice against SJ's on this forum. How many times do you see someone come on here and ask which SJ am I- compared to NJ or NP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Like I said...

    *goes to widescreen*



    I'm an INFJ.

    Gosh I hate using the term INFJ, it's so overused in the mbti community, it's no longer cool to say it.
    Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post


    It's okay Buttercup.
    I don't want to get into a sniping fest with you, I really don't- but what you did legitimately just underlines one of the points I just made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    I could possibly believe this from you, but not from a large base of the forum. There is heavy unspoken low grade self predjudice against SJ's on this forum. How many times do you see someone come on here and ask which SJ am I- compared to NJ or NP.
    I have been involved in typology communities since 2008. There has always been, and always will be, a collective bias against SJ's. This is largely because of presentation of other types in a comparatively better or mystical light. This is further compounded by the fact that SJ's as a whole tend to be less interested in typology, so there is a skewed representation. The bias will never vanish. The best that can be done is for individual who are aware of it in themselves to push against it (I have bias's against other types I push against). As well as for others to do their best to dismiss stereotypes as they come up. If this means people sharing what they like about SJ's, then let it happen.

    Is this any reason to hate on this thread for existing though? Uh, no. It's extremely presumptuous to chastize and scold people for expressing an opinion you simply don't believe, and you simply don't believe their sincerity. When it comes to determining that, you need to look at the individual, not a collective level (as you are trying to do).

    Even so, you're very hating on the purpose of this thread, over something as petty and diminutive as "sincerity of opinion" actually damages the whole perception of SJ's, thus actually making things worse for their image.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    You don't understand my quirky humor?

    I'll be Captain Obvious: I'm purposely making fun of Ni.

    Anyway if what your point is what you're mentioning: Yes I am having fun and nothing deep and meaningful are coming from my posts.
    What you are saying is not exactly meaningful no, but by playfully making fun of your type- especially after I questioned it, makes it seem as if you are just trying to validate it to others- but again do so in a manner that suggests that is exactly not what you are doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    What you are saying is not exactly meaningful no, but by playfully making fun of your type- especially after I questioned it, makes it seem as if you are just trying to validate it to others- but again do so in a manner that suggests that is exactly not what you are doing.
    People's beliefs won't change on my playful humor lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    I have been involved in typology communities since 2008. There has always been, and always will be, a collective bias against SJ's. This is largely because of presentation of other types in a comparatively better or mystical light. This is further compounded by the fact that SJ's as a whole tend to be less interested in typology, so there is a skewed representation. The bias will never vanish. The best that can be done is for individual who are aware of it in themselves to push against it (I have bias's against other types I push against). As well as for others to do their best to dismiss stereotypes as they come up. If this means people sharing what they like about SJ's, then let it happen.

    Is this any reason to hate on this thread for existing though? Uh, no. It's extremely presumptuous to chastize and scold people for expressing an opinion you simply don't believe, and you simply don't believe their sincerity. When it comes to determining that, you need to look at the individual, not a collective level (as you are trying to do).

    Even so, you're very hating on the purpose of this thread, over something as petty and diminutive as "sincerity of opinion" actually damages the whole perception of SJ's, thus actually making things worse for their image.
    When those opinions are based on a very shallow representation of what being an SJ happens to encompass- a representation that is beingg furthered mindlessly, and those are my thoughts and my opinion, why should I not put that out there. I could look at a description of an SJ and reiterate it just as well as anyone else- post something surface level positive about them- and then claim that my 'duty' is done. The issue with these types of threads is that they immediately encourage bypassing the individual. No one is trying to develop any understanding, and because of that and threads like this those stereotypes will just cement.

    If people think I am presumptuous they can question me all they want. I don't exactly think it is some sort of nefarious plot- but I do think that this is definately at the very least a semi-concious influence.

    I'll add, I don't think the sentiment behind this thread is a bad one- but the judgement of the equality of the types automatically turns it so. It is like asking picasso to go into an elementary school and talk about how wonderful all the paintings are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    Hmm. Being level-headed, able to get work done, support your community...
    I can't see it being an insult if someone told me all 3 of those things.
    I would consider it a compliment if someone told me these things. Sometimes, they even do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    I don't recall you being overly overjoyed when I suggested that you might be an ISFJ. Everyone pretends to be openly accepting of the equal value of all types, but at the end of the day no one wants to be an SJ. It is what it is. They distance themselves from the notion that they might be one by propogating these stereotypes, paying their dues by pretending to acknowledge the 'strengths' of these types, but doing so in a way that frequently is used as a way to contrast their self developed personas against those characteristics.
    You might want to check with @EJCC and @Showbread as to the highlighted. People who really aren't SJs might be uncomfortable with the suggestion that they are, just as people who identify as female are uncomfortable when mistaken for male. Nothing wrong with the other side, but sometimes it just "isn't me". All types do have strengths. Sometimes we value the strengths we recognize in ourselves; other times we value more what we are lacking. Even those who don't put much stock into typology systems understand that people are different.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frosty6226 View Post
    When those opinions are based on a very shallow representation of what being an SJ happens to encompass- a representation that is beingg furthered mindlessly, and those are my thoughts and my opinion, why should I not put that out there. I could look at a description of an SJ and reiterate it just as well as anyone else- post something surface level positive about them- and then claim that my 'duty' is done. The issue with these types of threads is that they immediately encourage bypassing the individual. No one is trying to develop any understanding, and because of that and threads like this those stereotypes will just cement.

    If people think I am presumptuous they can question me all they want. I don't exactly think it is some sort of nefarious plot- but I do think that this is definately at the very least a semi-concious influence.

    I'll add, I don't think the sentiment behind this thread is a bad one- but the judgement of the equality of the types automatically turns it so. It is like asking picasso to go into an elementary school and talk about how wonderful all the paintings are.
    I don't see the highlighted happening here. I'm not an SJ, though, so I understand how someone who is might have a different perspective. If this applies to you, by all means - do put that out there. Tell us what is wrong with the statements people have posted in an attempt to compliment SJs, so we can understand better.
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