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    Quote Originally Posted by Amira View Post
    One thing that I don't like about being an SJ is how much slower my thoughts organize into words. I know often I listen to N's talking about things, either with me or with other people, and it sets off all kinds of tangents in my head. But before I can say anything it automatically has to go through a filter of "Would they be interested in this? Is this an inanely obvious thing to say? And I should also include this..." etc. etc. It's frustrating! It's also irritating because I KNOW my face and eyes do not give away my thoughts and emotions well so people would have a hard time knowing how busy my brain is constantly.
    What Amira said.

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    And why must we "love" the INFP's? Even the ISTJ's?
    Because they are the deeper and more complex part of the unholy xNFP-twins. Plus they are cute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amira View Post
    One thing that I don't like about being an SJ is how much slower my thoughts organize into words. I know often I listen to N's talking about things, either with me or with other people, and it sets off all kinds of tangents in my head. But before I can say anything it automatically has to go through a filter of "Would they be interested in this? Is this an inanely obvious thing to say? And I should also include this..." etc. etc. It's frustrating! It's also irritating because I KNOW my face and eyes do not give away my thoughts and emotions well so people would have a hard time knowing how busy my brain is constantly.
    Sometimes I really don't see the inanely obvious, I can't really speak for any other N's here, but that's why you guys seriously save my butt time and time again at work. It's a bit embarrassing sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amira View Post
    One thing that I don't like about being an SJ is how much slower my thoughts organize into words. I know often I listen to N's talking about things, either with me or with other people, and it sets off all kinds of tangents in my head. But before I can say anything it automatically has to go through a filter of "Would they be interested in this? Is this an inanely obvious thing to say? And I should also include this..." etc. etc. It's frustrating! It's also irritating because I KNOW my face and eyes do not give away my thoughts and emotions well so people would have a hard time knowing how busy my brain is constantly.
    That sounds more related to I than to S or J. Most Es tend to have these same thought processes out loud, which is sometimes helpful and sometimes not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    What do you like about your SJ?

    I am curious because, beyond liking the SJ loyalty and sense of responsibility, it's hard for me to identify how Ns relate to SJs. I can see how SJs could like Ns but I can't see how the opposite works. Please help enlighten me.
    I just like how they think and I find their different point of view interesting. The SJ ability to keep things down to earth is refreshing after listening to some wacko N going on about something morbidly abstract to the point of nonsense (more so if it's an NF). And sometimes this same quality that an SJ has will drive me nuts as I don't think they are considering the hypothetical aspects of a situation to derive their solution. Not to mention, I could not live a happy existence without an SJ reminding me to stop worrying about the big picture so much and enjoy the details every once in a while.

    On a side note: ISTJs are very useful to me. When I come up with some project and want to impliment it I usually convince an ISTJ into helping me carrying it out. I create the system and give direction then they fill in the blanks is basically what happens. It almost always works out very well.

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    A good example of why I don't think it's too fulfilling past the friendship level is this (typical conversation with an SJ friend):

    Me: So why do you think we are even here? Why are we alive on this planet?
    My ISTJ friend: Well we are here to live our human lives and to reproduce.
    Me:
    When conversing with an SJ I feel a lack of depth in the conversation too. But I find Si to be an adorable function. When I see it in action I have this feeling of "Oh how cute!" It's one of the few things that make me feel warm and fuzzy inside... which is weird. So it's excusable. I know that doesn't make much sense...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    I am curious because, beyond liking the SJ loyalty and sense of responsibility, it's hard for me to identify how Ns relate to SJs. I can see how SJs could like Ns but I can't see how the opposite works. Please help enlighten me.
    Loyalty and responsibility are nothing to sneeze at. Particularly if you've been with someone in your past that had neither.

    My SJ grounds me in ways that I really need at times. She can provide me with a clarity of vision that I can lose if left to my own devices. I admire her will and strength, and it inspires me to be a better person.

    What I most like about my SJ is that she realizes that MBTI type can be a trap. You don't want to be the stereotype of your MBTI. You want to become well-rounded in all your attributes. So she does recognize she can be unusually rigid or conservative and tries to keep an open mind to other alternatives.

    Anyone that thinks SJs are only capable of being those horrid SJs we NTs rail about (including myself) is severely underestimating the enlightened ones. A great SJ can be a more interesting and spectacular person than the average NT. Often we refuse to even believe they are SJs, trying to push another type on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Anyone that thinks SJs are only capable of being those horrid SJs we NTs rail about (including myself) is severely underestimating the enlightened ones. A great SJ can be a more interesting and spectacular person than the average NT. Often we refuse to even believe they are SJs, trying to push another type on them.
    I completely agree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habba View Post
    Because they are the deeper and more complex part of the unholy xNFP-twins. Plus they are cute.
    ^ Yes, Habba, you DO have a point there!

    I also agree with what Amira said.

    Good post MacGuffin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    I always thought there were more NF's than SJ's? There certainly are on these forums!
    Just on the forums ... at least we outnumber you somewhere!

    Quote Originally Posted by d@v3 View Post
    And why must we "love" the INFP's? Even the ISTJ's?
    Why not? We are fun too, ya know! And we sense your every mood and want to make it better.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    Loyalty and responsibility are nothing to sneeze at. Particularly if you've been with someone in your past that had neither.
    Agree 1000% with this statement. It's a quality I highly admire and deeply appreciate.

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    My SJ grounds me in ways that I really need at times. She can provide me with a clarity of vision that I can lose if left to my own devices. I admire her will and strength, and it inspires me to be a better person..
    Yes, and as much as I need time to reflect on issues in my own head, I occasionally need the SJ figurative "kick in the butt" to help me take action and be in the "real world."

    Quote Originally Posted by MacGuffin View Post
    ... MBTI type can be a trap. You don't want to be the stereotype of your MBTI.
    Again, well said. Life is about growing and becoming a 360 degree person. A life partner with opposite strengths to you can be a continual source of energy and inspiration.

    *aside: I love your avatar btw - Clive Owen is awesome, an actor with great depth*

    Quote Originally Posted by Shaula View Post
    On a side note: ISTJs are very useful to me. When I come up with some project and want to impliment it I usually convince an ISTJ into helping me carrying it out. I create the system and give direction then they fill in the blanks is basically what happens. It almost always works out very well.
    Here's a typical Saturday morning convo at our house (I'm married to an ESTJ btw):

    Hubby: What do you want to do today?
    Me: I don't know, what do you want to do?
    Hubby: Well, is there anything you need me to do?
    Me: I was thinking about planting some more flowers in the garden today.
    Hubby: I wasn't thinking about doing that today (grumbles for 5 seconds then cheers up) ... where do you want the holes in the garden? Do you need me to buy some mulch? How deep will you need the bed to be?
    Me: *answers questions, hubby then proceeds to execute plan*

    What is not to love about that? Honestly, it took me a few years to figure out that if I provide the plan, he will always be a partner in it. He's happy, I'm happy, we're all happy! (Please note though my hubby is not a robot and he CERTAINLY has an opinion about almost everything!)

    I love my SJ. He's not the most romantic guy, and we don't have daily deep or profound conversations, but he is always there for me - loyal, honest, straightforward, hard-working and dedicated.

    That's why I love you guys! I have many SJ friends too and I love that they are straight-shooters who say what they mean and mean what they say!

    So there!

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    I love my ISFJ because she has the ability to know exactly what I'm thinking without me having to say anything. It's amazing how in-tune she is to (my) body language. From something as obvious to me throwing a cushion on the floor, to the subtle fiddling of a pencil. She's like a personal decoder.

    I also love the way she organizes all the finicky stuff when we plan to meet up, like the time, date and ideal place to meet. I'm incredibly indecisive when it comes to that, so it's helpful that she has it all covered. Although, I hope she isn't irked by having that responsibility.

    The fact that not only does she understand my warped sense of humour, she dishes it back as well. It's hard to find someone who enjoys feigning bigotry. I love the mutual making-eachother-laugh thing we have.

    She's seen my "morning after" look, and hasn't ran a mile.

    There are hundreds more, but I can't think of any more right now. She's just amazing.
    Um, yeah.

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    Some of what others have said I echo. I'm an N so I'm spacey sometimes, my SJ is a reality check. He likes to do projects, so I enable that and we are both happy, he does the project and I read a book. I think Si complements my Ni very well, when I talk through something with him we can cover all the bases.

    As an S he experiences things differently and allows me to see it through his eyes. I like that, it's like getting two for one, I get to see both sides of everything. He's also an F so he fills me up with his feelings. Sometimes it feels like we are at opposite ends of a teetertotter. But it is amazing when we balance it. I wouldn't have that balance with a similar type and wouldn't have grown as a person the way I have.


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