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    i was wondering, are there any SJ who actually REALLY likes theories?
    i have yet to meet one. Most of them are really horrid at it, or they get bored to death if i start talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons View Post
    I see Sensing and Judging mixed together and I know exactly what to expect. There are no words to describe.
    Is that a good or bad thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blanclait View Post
    i was wondering, are there any SJ who actually REALLY likes theories?
    i have yet to meet one. Most of them are really horrid at it, or they get bored to death if i start talking about it.
    Cimmaron seems like he kinda does but I could be wrong.

    I don't mind theory but I get lost quickly if I can't see any practical application of it, but if I like you as a person, then you can talk about it all day and night and I'll listen enthusiastically, even though I might be slow to 'get it'. If you can tolerate my stupid questions and comments, then we're good.

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    Not as much as Keirsey says.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Not as much as Keirsey says.
    Please elaborate if you can, dear Magic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Please elaborate if you can, dear Magic.
    I just mean that Keirsey heavily over-simplified the different types.

    Keirsey is the one that mainly conceived and popularized the SJ "temperament", and as such, also created the descriptions from which most people now get their impression of SJs. But Keirsey describes the whole SJ temperament in a fashion more like the ESTJ than anything else. It creates a narrow picture, unrepresentative of the other SJs, most of all being the ISFJ.
    The most obvious two ways that come to mind is that Keirsey seems to paint all SJs as more attached to a status quo than the ISJs really are, and as more legalistic than the SFJs are.

    One might say that Keirsey's main way of drawing four categories was by simply crushing three types each into the person of one other type (respective to the temperament). But he wasn't even balanced in doing this, as he allowed the most variety to exist between NTs. For SJs, he described the least variety, and so they all supposedly have more in common than their functions and attitudes really produce (but then, Keirsey discarded the functions and attitudes altogether).
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    Magic Poriferan, I love your name!
    Last edited by PeaceBaby; 02-11-2009 at 10:22 PM. Reason: added the r for pride's sake

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    Magic Poiferan, I love your name!
    Thanks, but there's an R in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Thanks, but there's an R in there.
    Eep, my bad - still it's a fun name, and shame on me for the typo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I just mean that Keirsey heavily over-simplified the different types.

    Keirsey is the one that mainly conceived and popularized the SJ "temperament", and as such, also created the descriptions from which most people now get their impression of SJs. But Keirsey describes the whole SJ temperament in a fashion more like the ESTJ than anything else. It creates a narrow picture, unrepresentative of the other SJs, most of all being the ISFJ.
    The most obvious two ways that come to mind is that Keirsey seems to paint all SJs as more attached to a status quo than the ISJs really are, and as more legalistic than the SFJs are.

    One might say that Keirsey's main way of drawing four categories was by simply crushing three types each into the person of one other type (respective to the temperament). But he wasn't even balanced in ding this, as allowed the most variety to exist between NTs. For SJs, he described the least variety, and so they all supposedly have more in common than their functions and attitudes really produce (but then, Keirsey discarded the functions and attitudes altogether).
    That's very perceptive of you. I think you are right.

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