ESTJs are more focused on managing things around them, rather than focusing on the details of the inner workings of things. They're amazing in management. The only thing that might hinder them in that field is lack of feeling, but the a damn good ESTJ can make up for it with understanding how to run things and knowing the rules.
I don't really know any ISTJs, but my sister rarely ever relaxes, as in, SHE IS ALWAYS DOING SOMETHING!!!
She gets more "done" in a day than I do in a couple of months, for realz.
How are we related!?!?
My E(I?)STJ husband is very often relaxed. I'm not. I'm the one always doing something. I wish I could abolish sleep and eating, because I don't want to lose time in which I can play or write or work on my projects. I always thought the SJs work during work time and relax during free time; while NPs try to plan their free time during work time so that they don't lose a single minute of time in which they could be doing everything they want. I'm totally frustrated if I'm tired from work... I longed for my free time the whole day and now I can't do anything! Frustrating!! Why does work have to be so energy consuming?
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My sister is ESTJ. We get along just fine as long as I:
1. don't oppose her point of view
If we see things differently, which 90% of the time we usually do, we will end up arguing until I concede, don't care, or leave. Once she believes she's right, she will not let up and she MUST have the last word.
2. Don't try to convince her about anything
Plain and simple because it won't happen. It's her way, end of story. (Unless it can be proved otherwise with reason that SHE deems worthy)
Yeah, that's what I do. I'm very opinionated, I guess. Anyone who tried to convince me must have stronger facts than mine.
Originally Posted by SillySapienne
Meanwhile, my ESTJ sister is in the family room on the computer posting her new pics and I told my (IsFP) sister that I was going to go fuck with her and went in the adjoining room and gave her an unsuspecting hug, which she responded with a violent flinch and a terse yet slightly joking reprimand, "Don't touch me!!!"
That is my ESTJ sister for ya!!!
Sooooooooo full of
I can relate with your sister. LOL. Aren't we lovely like that?
I enjoy ISTJs for the most part, but I don't mix too well with ESTJs.
I came here to say something like this. Although I get along great with ESTJs that share my vision, but I can imagine the opposite effect if we didn't. My kid sister is ESTJ, it's a smooth ride when we are in agreement, but a horrible car crash when we don't. I think the ISTJ would be easier to handle if we didn't get along.
My oldest friend is an ESTJ (go figure) and my brother is an ISTJ. I only have two IRL examples to compare, but I have observed some differences.
First the similarities:
- both like to be in charge and have risen to leadership positions in their occupations
- both tend to be more traditional and "rules" oriented
- both are organized with an air of no-nonsense competence about them
- both are *the* go-to people in a crisis
The I is very serious, controlled, and somewhat controlling. He suffers from hypertension and sometimes seems on the brink of blowing a gasket. His wife (ESFJ) and her friends call him "the male Martha Stewart" because everything has to be *perfect*. He is very protective of his family and his family space, even against his own siblings. (now my older brother the istp is a bit of reckless and loose cannon; but me (infp)? I'm perfectly harmless ).
The E cannot be alone for long periods of time. She craves company. She can move to a new city not knowing anyone and within a couple of weeks she'll be in a bookclub, and will have skating buddies, diving buddies, camping and hiking buddies, and watching football down at the pub buddies. Are these folks close friends? Of course not, but she can walk into a roomful of strangers and manage to find someone to talk to at length about anything. Every time. I used to envy this but now it just amuses me, exhausting as it is.
PS - Neither of them seem to enjoy the internet very much.
As for me, the only ESTJ I know personally is my Grandmother, and, form interacting with ESTJs on this board, the main difference I notice is they are more "human" than ISTJ, that means, more in touch with people´s feelings, willing to help, while the ISTJs would see crying babies or incompetent fools instead of a person who needs affection or help.
We both like to be in charge, but the ISTJs, in most cases, are put into positions of leadership without seeking for them.
By the way, I love Martha Stewart and suffer from high-blood pressure.
And all friends comes to me in a crisis, but not looking for a shoulder to cry on: to get impersonal, objective opinion and advice, to bring them "back to Earth", and help them putting their feelings aside and see the problem as it is. If they want a shoulder to cry on, they would better seek an ESTJ.
I love Internet. I can get study manuals for free, and I won´t be seen as a freak if I do little to no talk at all.
"An intelligent hell would be better than a stupid paradise."