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    Default INTJ- transcending the human condition

    I can only speak for myself...but am curious if this particular type shares the same vantage. I "feel" as if I am sometimes an "owl on the branch"... merely an observer to a situation forced upon me. (I am using a Bukowski documentary title "born in to this" as a reference.) There are times where my mind has separated from the physical...electrical impulse like a gas cloud just passing through. I forget to eat or clean up after myself...usually when I am in heavy creative mode. My power went off and I didnt reset my clocks for two weeks. I should mention that I am an artist and dont have to adhere to any particular schedule at times. Its part of my creative process...like an actor getting into a role. Just curious if other intjs go through this...or it isolated due to my career path? I studied the master artists lifestyles (psychologically) in my youth. In particular Picasso and Kubrick (intj). I might have fused my life experiences into a work ethic/philosophy molded from these two. It is second nature at this point....7500 hours in. I am self taught and used these two as my professors...art school is for suckers.

    I should add that when I complete a new body of work...I go back to being organized. I am two days into development (which may take a few months) of new material. My posts may get interesting.
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    Sounds like acid to me.

    On a serious note, yes... I have experienced what you're referring to in a much smaller way.
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    Yes, beware the crazy. Or don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uytuun View Post
    Yes, beware the crazy. Or don't.
    In my line of work...."crazy" is the only way to achieve results. Show me an artist who wouldnt push it and I'll show you a guy designing Easter cards for Hallmark. You get what you settle for.....If I knew it was going to be this difficult, would have just got a PHD. It would have been half the work Teaching yourself to abandon structure/control was the hardest step.....and become "unconscious". The irony is the more you are willing to "give up" of yourself, the more it gives back...there is a lesson in there somewhere.
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    The productions of psychosis, eh? Yes, that's why I added the or don't.

    I default to unconscious when left to my own devices. But it doesn't necessarily feel like losing control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackOp View Post
    In my line of work...."crazy" is the only way to achieve results. Show me an artist who wouldnt push it and I'll show you a guy designing Easter cards for Hallmark. You get what you settle for.....If I knew it was going to be this difficult, would have just got a PHD. It would have been half the work Teaching yourself to abandon structure/control was the hardest step.....and become "unconscious". The irony is the more you are willing to "give up" of yourself, the more it gives back...there is a lesson in there somewhere.
    You make some really interesting points.

    Here's to hoping you'll elaborate more on the abandonment/sundering of your learned processes to the uncertainties of one's subconscious.

    Let's hope others realize the breadth you offer with this concept...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    You make some really interesting points.

    Here's to hoping you'll elaborate more on the abandonment/sundering of your learned processes to the uncertainties of one's subconscious.

    Let's hope others realize the breadth you offer with this concept...
    Its really hard to pinpoint. To quote William Burroughs "We all have days we cant hit for shit". There are days it flows effortlessly and others there is resistance. Kubrick was once asked what the hardest part of making a film was...he replied "getting out of the car". Your unconscious sometimes refuses to comply.... He went so far as to keep track of his diet and personal situations on creative/productive days as well as astrology.

    There are times 8 hours seem like 30 minutes. I was discussing this my brother-in-law (PHD psychology), I cant remember the term but says this state is quite healthy. I always joked it was why I look 10 years younger than I am..(and the fact I've never been married). I have drank enough whiskey and smoked enough cigarettes to kill an elephant. When I'm productive and take a break....I can shoot pool with my eyes closed. Things just flow....and my surroundings are hypersensitive. It feels as if I have energy projecting from my body. It pretty fucking cool...and surreal at the same time.

    It was a gradual process...like taking a chisel to a prison wall. Lots of failure along the way. This is why many an aspiring artist fail....its a pretty laborious task. Once your out though...there no going back. Like looking at life from the other side of a mirror.

    I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing uncertain about the unconscious...it where pure truth manifests. All the answers people are seeking in their lives are spelled out for them in beautiful abstract metaphors. I am a big proponent of Carl Jung...as if it wasnt obvious.
    "A species of perfection and fantasy"......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    You make some really interesting points.

    Here's to hoping you'll elaborate more on the abandonment/sundering of your learned processes to the uncertainties of one's subconscious.

    Let's hope others realize the breadth you offer with this concept...
    Funny, I was just ruminating over that line too. It's very Nietzschean - reminds me of the Joker from The Dark Night. While we are taught to strive for order to perpetuate business as usual, I think there's something aesthetically unique - even beautiful - in chaos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Provoker View Post
    Funny, I was just ruminating over that line too. It's very Nietzschean - reminds me of the Joker from The Dark Night. While we are taught to strive for order to perpetuate business as usual, I think there's something aesthetically unique - even beautiful - in chaos.
    You are on to something profound, Provoker.

    What distinguishes humans from animals? The ability to thoughtfully adapt to imperfection.

    What is imperfection, but unmolded clay? Chaos.

    From chaos...

    ...what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackOp View Post
    Its really hard to pinpoint. To quote William Burroughs "We all have days we cant hit for shit". There are days it flows effortlessly and others there is resistance. Kubrick was once asked what the hardest part of making a film was...he replied "getting out of the car". Your unconscious sometimes refuses to comply.... He went so far as to keep track of his diet and personal situations on creative/productive days as well as astrology.

    There are times 8 hours seem like 30 minutes. I was discussing this my brother-in-law (PHD psychology), I cant remember the term but says this state is quite healthy. I always joked it was why I look 10 years younger than I am..(and the fact I've never been married). I have drank enough whiskey and smoked enough cigarettes to kill an elephant. When I'm productive and take a break....I can shoot pool with my eyes closed. Things just flow.

    It was a gradual process...like taking a chisel to a prison wall. Lots of failure along the way. Once your out though...there no going back. Like looking from the other side of the mirror.
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