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    i dont see how Fi correlates with 6.
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    IIRC, Type 4s are concerned with wanting a unique identity. They feel like they're different from everyone else. It's certainly possible for an INTJ to have this mindset. I know ISFJ, INFJ, and INFP type 4s. Introversion may be the commonality between them.

    Type 6 would probably be associated with Fe because they need outside approval. 6s often rely on outside sources to determine how they feel about something, so Fi is out of the question. A dom. Fi person would know *exactly* how they feel.

    Enneagram probably has more to do with early life or birth order or nurture rather than inherent personality type. It's possible to look at your enneagram type and trace your motivations back to some defining life moment(s).
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    Enneagram has more to do with philosophies, preferences, and motives. The MBTI is more about how your mind functions. The two are fairly different, so they don'y have to overlap much.

    INTJs most tend to be 5s. 4s Are more moody than 5s, but they are similarly avoidant, so it's really not a terrible stretch for an INTJ to be a 4 instead of a 5.
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    INTJ 4??

    Same as every other INTJ I'd surmise. As in, different to every other INTJ. I've yet to meet two people of the same type who are the same, some noticeably so.

    My SO still remembers the confusion she was met with when she described herself as a shy ESTP. Many said "but you're an extrovert".

    Remember that the MBTI only covers how you go about thinking and not the results. The behaviours listed TEND to correlate with those methods but don't have to.

    Oh and in specific INTJ 4s are swines to type... esp if they're developed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
    I finally went and took an enneagram test and it came back as 4, with the next highest being a 5. Reading through the descriptions, I related very well with both of them, and agree that the 4 is probably a bit more apt.

    So how is it that an INTJ who is supposedly the 'least likely to express emotion' is the 'Romantic' Hyper-sensitive feeling enneagram type?

    Reading through both the 4 and 5 description I recall thinking 'The 4 is a good way to describe the emotional mess inside, but the 5 is what I try to use to deal with the rest of the world'.

    Something about this just screams 'how is this possible?'

    Can anyone give me some insight as to how the enneagram works in conjunction with the MBTI type?

    Maybe this doesnt belong under the NT thread, but I thought maybe the other NT's might be able to shed some light.
    I am almost 100% sure I am an INTJ 4, so I believe it can happen.
    As some others have already said, enneagram talks about motivations.
    I think somebody's enneagram can skew your results when you're trying to Type another person.
    Just look at all the different KINDS of INTPs there are on this board. Some are polite. Some are in your face. I think the enneagram might have a lot to do with the differences we observe among people of the same type.

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    I'm definitely an INTJ and a 4.
    I've always felt I'm different from others. I'm also very romantic -- in thoughts and ideologies, in what I think about, it's where my ideas stem from. Hard to explain! Part of me is sensitive inside. It hurts knowing that I'm somewhat undesirable to men. It's hard for me to be an INTJ and feel this way deep down. Especially because it contracts my mindset that I'm unique. But one part of me knows how to deal with these thoughts and I just sort of suppress them. If someone were to say something hurtful to me I would act on the outside that I don't care, but part of me inside would be very upset (heart racing, that sort of feeling). There were times when I had emotional outbursts at home, especially when I was growing up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    INTJ 4??

    Oh and in specific INTJ 4s are swines to type... esp if they're developed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by silversun View Post
    I'm definitely an INTJ and a 4.
    I've always felt I'm different from others. I'm also very romantic -- in thoughts and ideologies, in what I think about, it's where my ideas stem from. Hard to explain! Part of me is sensitive inside. It hurts knowing that I'm somewhat undesirable to men. It's hard for me to be an INTJ and feel this way deep down. Especially because it contracts my mindset that I'm unique. But one part of me knows how to deal with these thoughts and I just sort of suppress them. If someone were to say something hurtful to me I would act on the outside that I don't care, but part of me inside would be very upset (heart racing, that sort of feeling). There were times when I had emotional outbursts at home, especially when I was growing up.
    This is sort of like me... its hard to explain.

    I was told by an ENFJ friend that I go to great lengths to separate myself from the pack, to an almost undesirable level in his mind. He was the one that constantly harassed me for not caring what others thought of me (IE Not going tanning!?!) and hated when I would ask him WHY he cared so much about what people thought of him.

    I definately feel the duality that it talked about, striving to be unique but feeling sad about being separated from the rest of the world because of it. Its a kind of lose-lose situation.

    Add to that the INTJ independent mind and the lack of respect for authority and you get a really 'weird' person. Where INTJ's are weird, I guess the Enneagram 4 only adds to it because I DELIBERATELY try to be different.

    This is really hard to put into words.

    I kind of live in this intense, inner world full of exploited emotions, where I spend a lot of time 'phsychologizing' myself, digging deep to find the hidden reasons for my actions and decisions. I'll bring myself to tears sometimes getting lost in this self-exploration... and then I dig my way out of it with logic and reason, systematically filing all of the feelings away and neatly categorizing them, and then writing clever poetry about it.

    Each time this happens, I feel like I've learned something else about myself, and I feel a little bit more calm and content. After years of doing this I find that it happens less and less, and I'd say I'm currently pretty happy with my life all in all.

    The only thing that remains as a constant thorn is the feeling of 'loneliness' and separation from the rest of the world that I can't seem to shake... yet I continue to reject anything to do with 'pop culture'. I'm getting better in this arena too though, IE listening to more modern music, watching shows that people talk about, etc. In years before, I would have avoided them like the plague because 'everyone else was doing it'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty_Mountain_Rose View Post
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    The only thing that remains as a constant thorn is the feeling of 'loneliness' and separation from the rest of the world that I can't seem to shake... yet I continue to reject anything to do with 'pop culture'. I'm getting better in this arena too though, IE listening to more modern music, watching shows that people talk about, etc. In years before, I would have avoided them like the plague because 'everyone else was doing it'.
    I related to everything you said. I too, began to do things that everyone else was doing in order to be more acceptable. It's better than being lonely forever, right? I certainly started out as a non-conformist, but I began to see the value of not being such a weirdo.

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    Wouldn't it be more satisfying to seek out like-minded individuals you can discuss in a frank and open manner with rather than shoehorning yourself into a mold you think maybe these quote-unquote normal people will accept?

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