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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    If so, then it shouldn't relate much to NT personality types, even under a very general diagnosis (depression vs anxiety vs OCD).
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    Addendum/clarification to my NF neurosis statments:

    NFs can't detach from harmful emotional states because they trust feeling to make decisions, not thinking. When confronted with neurosis, the dominant arbitrary mechanism within their psyches tells them they should feel bad, simply because they do feel bad. It's quite an obstacle, and I have little advice on the matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Addendum/clarification to my NF neurosis statments:

    NFs can't detach from harmful emotional states because they trust feeling to make decisions, not thinking. When confronted with neurosis, the dominant arbitrary mechanism within their psyches tells them they should feel bad, simply because they do feel bad. It's quite an obstacle, and I have little advice on the matter.
    Anyone in the grip of a neurosis can't detach from a harmful emotional state. I don't accept that NFs have any more difficulty in this regard than any other type. You seem to think NTs can will/think their way out of mental crisis - that just isn't the case. If the mind is diseased, then so is the will/thought process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Anyone in the grip of a neurosis can't detach from a harmful emotional state. I don't accept that NFs have any more difficulty in this regard than any other type. You seem to think NTs can will/think their way out of mental crisis - that just isn't the case. If the mind is diseased, then so is the will/thought process.
    I do strongly believe there is a difference, but it isn't as if it's black and white, at all.

    I see competing forces at work, and if your strongest force is undermined, you're up shit creek in a barbed wire canoe.

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    It's like going to sail without your boat, isnt it ?
    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    It's like going to sail without your boat, isnt it ?
    To maintain the metaphor, let's say...

    An NT dealing with neurosis is like a motorboat going against the wind, but an NF dealing with neurosis is like a sailboat going against it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    It's like going to sail without your boat, isnt it ?
    +1
    excellent metaphor entropie, I was struggling for one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    To maintain the metaphor, let's say...

    An NT dealing with neurosis is like a motorboat going against the wind, but an NF dealing with neurosis is like a sailboat going against it.
    you are like The Titanic - going down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    To maintain the metaphor, let's say...

    An NT dealing with neurosis is like a motorboat going against the wind, but an NF dealing with neurosis is like a sailboat going against it.
    hehe.

    Although the NF's kann be amazing; on the one hand my INFJ for example has a remarkeable understanding of the human psyche. Her ability to draw a conclusion, what problems made someones holistic psyche and how they can be helped, is amazing.

    But when it comes to pinpointing down the symptoms that could be responsible for causing an illness, she sucks bigtime.

    It is amazing, on the one hand, she can enlighten your whole life, with just a few words, but that tiny tiny things that follow a linear pattern, sometimes evade her, because she thinks too wired.
    [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBvftJUwDw&t=0s[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Although the NF's kann be amazing
    Natrlich. I wouldn't be satisfied without them around. Analysis isn't criticism. They're far better on average than NTs at making people other than themselves happier.

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    I find neurotic NT's much more difficult to reason with than neurotic NF's, because a feeling can be refuted as false, but an NT who clings to their "logic" even when it's clearly faulty, it's almost impossible for them to see otherwise.

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