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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    If I appropriately understand you, detachment is central to progression beyond the neurosis, as it allows the individual to analyze their infirmity, free from extraneous internal variables?
    Yes, I believe so. Not letting neurosis get a foothold and take over is the idea, and someone who can't separate what they feel so strongly from their analysis is sub-equipped for that.

    If neurosis then begins - and ends - within the individual, is it ever truly vacated? Does awareness of the neurotic tendency forever chain it to one's psychological identity?
    Effectively, I think it can be squashed. If caused by external stimuli, and the stimuli are no longer present, I can see the problem being only a memory. Not to mention, there can be emplaced a level of immunity: In knowing the problem can potentially be solved, the resulting confidence can make one more resilient. It's less likely to even become a "problem" in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I would say there is a greater tendency in NTs than others to have control over mind.
    Disagree.

    All they have control over are the conscious functions, they are as much slaves to the inferior/unconscious functions as any other type. In the case of INTPs the fact that Fe is so undeveloped can lead to very irrational thoughts/feelings/behaviour indeed.

    Suicide/depression/mental illness are common amongst NTs. Ns in general. It's the flipside of creativity. See Kay Redfield Jamieson "Touched with Fire".
    Also "Strong Imagination" Daniel Nettle.

    "And as imagination bodies forth
    The form of things unknown, the poet's pen
    Turns them to shapes, and gives to airy nothing
    A local habitation and a name
    Such tricks hath strong imagination."
    ~Shakespeare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Allow me to stereotype horrendously to get my point across. Please dilute to taste.

    NF: Suicide
    SP: Alcohol
    SJ: Insanity
    does this mean I have to give up drinking?

    I kind of suspect that a J would be more neurotic than a P, regardless of the other letters. The Js I know aren't as good at coping to unforseen events and such as Ps.

    Though a P stuck in a tedious job or relationship can be pretty neurotic as well

    I guess anyone living outside of thier nature is more at risk of developing a neuroticism than anyone not?

    *thinking outloud*
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Disagree...
    Well I agree with you there. I haven't said enough, as per usual. By "greater control over mind" I took everything into account: Degree, Instances, and Time. NTs do have "irrational" feelings and thoughts, but they are usually caused by something unusual and specific, and tied to that. Our median moment is not an irrational one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Does this mean I have to give up drinking?
    No, of course not. I quit, but I wasn't self-medicating, I was having fun (and acting stupidly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    does this mean I have to give up drinking?

    Haha

    I am a master at eating nails and I am a neurotic fish, my teacher in driving school feared me, as does all the other people in traffic.

    But I support the "NT fix yourself" theory, I myself have come a long way.
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    I think it might be valuable to broaden the parameters of the OP to include other types.

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    I forgot to mention: I agree that more Js possess obvious neuroses than Ps. It's what I've witnessed, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Could you explain why you want to know?
    Are you using the clinical definition of neurosis?
    I'm curious. And yes, I'm using the clinical definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night
    I think it might be valuable to broaden the parameters of the OP to include other types.
    Sure, but then it should be moved from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kora View Post
    I'm curious. And yes, I'm using the clinical definition.
    If so, then it shouldn't relate much to NT personality types, even under a very general diagnosis (depression vs anxiety vs OCD).

    (And before I get jumped on, that's not saying the NTs don't have various outlets for it, it just doesn't relate to those dimensions.)

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