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    Allow me to stereotype horrendously to get my point across. Please dilute to taste.

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    Haha...nice, Jack.

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    Regarding NFs in slightly better detail: Their conclusions tend to be more general, and are by nature tied to emotion. The lack of detachment is a problem when dealing with neuroses.

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    NT: Suppression / avoidance ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    NT: Suppression / avoidance ?
    That sounds right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Regarding NFs in slightly better detail: Their conclusions tend to be more general, and are by nature tied to emotion. The lack of detachment is a problem when dealing with neuroses.
    Nicely said, Jack.

    If I appropriately understand you, detachment is central to progression beyond the neurosis, as it allows the individual to analyze their infirmity, free from extraneous internal variables?

    If neurosis then begins - and ends - within the individual, is it ever truly vacated? Does awareness of the neurotic tendency forever chain it to one's psychological identity?

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    "Neurosis" is too broad a brush to paint a type or collection of types.

    People don't develop neurosis because of their type, but because of environmental influences. Type has a bearing on how a neurosis may manifest itself e.g. moving toward/moving against/moving away from people. A drive for self-sufficiency common to NTs is likely to lead to the latter, but the more extrovert types might employ the middle strategy.

    Karen Horney has some interesting things to say about this stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    NT: Suppression / avoidance ?
    This might be generally true, but perhaps it's magnified in males and not as manifest in females. I'm prone to these things in day-to-day existence, but when the opportunity comes to sit down and have a private, uninterrupted 3 hour conversation with a trustworthy friend (usually my eNFJ) I embrace it and generally pour out my troubled heart and soul.
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    *Faith is the art of holding on to things your reason once accepted, despite your changing moods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    "Neurosis" is too broad a brush to paint a type or collection of types.

    People don't develop neurosis because of their type, but because of environmental influences. Type has a bearing on how a neurosis may manifest itself e.g. moving toward/moving against/moving away from people. A drive for self-sufficiency common to NTs is likely to lead to the latter, but the more extrovert types might employ the middle strategy.

    Karen Horney has some interesting things to say about this stuff.
    I think you and I fundamentally agree on the opacity of anchoring/immunity from neurosis to specific type classification.

    Does anyone believe that self-awareness ever truly creates progression beyond the neurotic behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Regarding NFs in slightly better detail: Their conclusions tend to be more general, and are by nature tied to emotion. The lack of detachment is a problem when dealing with neuroses.
    Bingo

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