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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    My subjectivity is like a tiny, tiny mouse, and my objectivity the tiger who hungers for it, though it would make an unworthy meal.
    I kind of see it more like the mouse and the elephant.

    Except of course, I know that analogies introduce subjectivity into my thinking, and would never use an analogy like that, even to make a point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    I kind of see it more like the mouse and the elephant.

    Except of course, I know that analogies introduce subjectivity into my thinking, and would never use an analogy like that, even to make a point.
    Note to self: ISTPs are Sensors. Interesting...

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    *Jedi mind trick* This is not the Jack you are angry with.

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    LMAO we've already been here... there was a thread very similar a while ago - remember it PT?? I think it started off as something like 'war of objectivity' pitting ENTP's and INTP's against each other, but ended up encompassing all types and getting pretty heated.

    I actually think ISTP's are the most objective, IME. Dunno how it works, but they always seem the least likely to get het up or personally involved, they're nearly always pretty even handed if arbitrating. ISTP's FTW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    LMAO we've already been here... there was a thread very similar a while ago - remember it PT?? I think it started off as something like 'war of objectivity' pitting ENTP's and INTP's against each other, but ended up encompassing all types and getting pretty heated.
    Oh yah, I remember. I was even going to link it.

    Then I remember what happened last time To be fair, Jack did offer definitions this time

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    Thank God INTJs don't care if they're "objective" or not, only if the situation works to our advantage. :P

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    I saw the other thread, but this one includes all rationals and is brimming with truth.

    nonsequitur: Yes, of course. This is why INTJs are less objective.

    I didn't say, or mean to say, it was a scale of quality, only objectivity.

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    nonsequitur, I was thinking something similar, except that I thought "I don't care that much if it's objective, more about whether it's valid."

    Cos like, if one ENTJ makes a subjective observation that he expects INTP's to be lazy, it's easy for the INTP to shrug it off on the basis of its subjectivity; it doesn't however mean it's not valid. If 100 people independently draw the same subjective conclusion, then that conclusion's validity is mounting towards the undeniable. Yet the INTP will still shrug it off because it's subjective.

    I think ENTP is more concerned with getting at the truth, whatever it is and however you get at it; it's knowable on sight quite often, whether that be subjective or not. INTP is just obsessed with objectivity and the irony is, it can't really hear much truth past the noise of all the bees in its bonnet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    I think ENTP is more concerned with getting at the truth, whatever it is and however you get at it; it's knowable on sight quite often, whether that be subjective or not. INTP is just obsessed with objectivity and the irony is, it can't really hear much truth past the noise of all the bees in its bonnet.
    I appreciate this, because it demonstrates INTP>ENTP with regard to objectivity. If, of course, you are ENTP, which you are.

    ENTPs are too concerned with action and world modification to have the objectivity of the INTP.

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    good god, people. just let him have it.
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