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    You INTPs are deceived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    You INTPs are deceived.
    Debased akshually. I looked it up.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Minus a demerit? That's a plus right? Woot! 10 points for me.
    Still locked in that "plus is positive" illusion eh?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Well I'm glad we got that one sorted out, without resorting to stereotyping, name-calling, logical fallacies, hair-splitting, personal invective and the rest.

    I can say with true objectivity - it's great to be an INTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Well I'm glad we got that one sorted out, without resorting to stereotyping, name-calling, logical fallacies, hair-splitting, personal invective and the rest.

    I can say with true objectivity - it's great to be an INTP
    Err... juss one more thing ma'am...


    how would you know?



    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Err... juss one more thing ma'am...
    how would you know?
    say it ain't so.

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    So, Xander, you would tell me that the average INTJ is less concerned with bettering his status in the world than detached analysis, and vice versa for the INTP?

    Add: These objectives (lol) compete, as should be obvious, and the former wins out much more in the mind of the INTJ than the INTP, in my observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    So, Xander, you would tell me that the average INTJ is less concerned with bettering his status in the world than detached analysis, and vice versa for the INTP?

    Add: These objectives (lol) compete, as should be obvious, and the former wins out much more in the mind of the INTJ than the INTP, in my observations.
    It has been my experience that an INTJ will be fully aware of what SHOULD be but also acutely aware of what IS. They do think about the former but they act upon the latter. To do otherwise would be impractical and ... well P ish.

    Anyhow INTPs seem locked in their own struggle to be "right" most of the time and hence are about as lacking for a motivation behind their "objectivity" as an ENFP male teen volunteering to judge a lapdancing contest!!

    It is, as with most things, a question more of perspective and subjective definitions than truth.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    To my mind this is the best definition of objective I've seen yet
    "objective truths are those which are discovered rather than created."

    Based upon that alone I'd guess that those more externally focused would be more objective than those internally focused.

    Also there is the question of which is better, is it better to wrap yourself in your own mind picking up subjectivity in definitions and other idiosyncrasies or is it better to wade into the full gamut of what other's think about it and hope to come out the other end with a balanced view of things?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    To my mind this is the best definition of objective I've seen yet
    "objective truths are those which are discovered rather than created."

    Based upon that alone I'd guess that those more externally focused would be more objective than those internally focused.

    Also there is the question of which is better, is it better to wrap yourself in your own mind picking up subjectivity in definitions and other idiosyncrasies or is it better to wade into the full gamut of what other's think about it and hope to come out the other end with a balanced view of things?
    That quote is meaningless.
    One can't create objective truth, one can only discover it.
    But one doesn't discover it by wading into the fray, one discovers it by calm, disinterested, usually solitary, reflection. If you examine the lives of most of the great discoverers of truth, you will find that they didn't go in much for wading.

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