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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    That's weird. I missed this post. And yet I immediately wrote about robots straight after.
    Strange how robots come up when talking about NTs no? It's such a lovely parallel and yet also so completely wrong for what a robot would be..
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    Anyway...
    Back to the grindstone...
    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    I've said this already, but since you aren't going to read the thread, Mr Pretty Vacant, I'll say it again:
    Objective <> correct.
    You're right. Objective isn't correct. You mean disassociative, detached, sociopathic.. something like that?


    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    You can be objectively wrong.
    If all INTPs agreed on a definition, that would make us all equally brilliant. Some of us are more INTP than others. [/quote]
    I can but try to help those mired. I cannot do it for them.

    I can however set an ENFJ on you and then take bets.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
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    The way I was looking at it was from the point of view that objective is discovered where as subjective is more extrapolated. Hence objective is more directly linked to the object (okay it should be "the subject of whatever" but that's crossing object and subject over which tends to confuse). If I am considering a rock then I can consider what it means to me but that's making me the focus where as to consider the rock as a rock is more objective as it retains focus upon the rock itself.
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    I already knew that.

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    Wow. Xander, you're operating with a completely different definition of objective here. The reason I put the def. in the OP was so people wouldn't think I referred to Jung-style objectivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I can however set an ENFJ on you and then take bets.
    DO IT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Wow. Xander, you're operating with a completely different definition of objective here. The reason I put the def. in the OP was so people wouldn't think I referred to Jung-style objectivity.
    YAY! Jack's back. The thread is in safe hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Having an agenda entails the opposite of being objective.
    But the agenda was developed apart from reality.
    It was an ideal formed in complete objectivity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    But the agenda was developed apart from reality.
    It was an ideal formed in complete objectivity.
    An agenda isn't an idea. It's a goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Definitely.

    For one I'm still arguing the point. If I was an INTJ then you'd just have been declared as wrong several posts back and I'd not have returned except to look at your posts with scorn

    So true!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post

    So true!
    That's only 'cos we pwn you in debate.

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    For those not paying adequate attention (please don't see me later... I need a rest.. but do detain yourselves)

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeFamousFreakinOP
    Definitions of objective used are:

    -not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion
    Oh you mean like the usual definition of objective where it's not mired in personal feelings and being warped through someone's own psychosis... like INTPs who don't want people to DO something with their concept in case it gets irrevocably altered.

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeFamousFreakinOP
    -expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations
    So that would be not being entirely self referential and not thinking that everyone does or should think the same way you do... great. How's that INTP again?

    I'm afraid I still see no correlation between understanding that the world doesn't necessarily work the way you think it does and type.

    If I were to chose one then out of those four... probably INTJ. Though if you check, with each refinement of definition I've chosen a different type.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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