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    with a question like this the E and I is sort of important (the orientation of the functions are different). With ENTJs it tends to be an unconscious cognitive process that rarely manifests itself in a conscious way. INTJs, well, i wouldn't know, i assume it is something they can consciously play around with but not use confortably on a constant basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    with a question like this the E and I is sort of important (the orientation of the functions are different). With ENTJs it tends to be an unconscious cognitive process that rarely manifests itself in a conscious way. INTJs, well, i wouldn't know, i assume it is something they can consciously play around with but not use confortably on a constant basis.
    For INTJs, Fi is the 3rd function.
    For ENTJs, Fi is the 4th function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    For INTJs, Fi is the 3rd function.
    For ENTJs, Fi is the 4th function.
    ya taht was my point

    ENTJ (Te, Ni, Se, Fi)
    INTJ (Ni, Te, Fi, Se)
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    sorry. misunderstood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    Definitely. I would be driven to evaluate what I was feeling and why. Then I would agonize over whether or not I had the right to feel that way! I'm still a slave to my feelings, though not as badly.
    Exactly my thoughts on the matter.

    Slave to my feelings.

    Focused on why I feel that way.

    Sometimes though I just wallow in the feeling though I do have to admit.

    One of the hardest things I've had to face in life, is when I am feeling a certain way very heavily and cannot figure it out. Depressed, sad, or apathic, I don't question really 'happy feelings'. But anyway if I am feeling one of those, it will overwhelm me sometimes, if I cannot figure out why I feel that way, if I cannot make sense of my feelings, that's when the wallowing occurs, that's when life gets painfully slow, it sucks.

    But in regards to wallowing sometimes I will know why I am feeling a certain way, but the feeling will just be so overwhelming that I can't help but wallow until the storm passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    with a question like this the E and I is sort of important (the orientation of the functions are different). With ENTJs it tends to be an unconscious cognitive process that rarely manifests itself in a conscious way. INTJs, well, i wouldn't know, i assume it is something they can consciously play around with but not use confortably on a constant basis.
    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    ya taht was my point

    ENTJ (Te, Ni, Se, Fi)
    INTJ (Ni, Te, Fi, Se)
    so what predictions does this the cognitive theory make by having Fi 3rd or 4th?



    is it like Se in INJ vs ENJ:

    INJ: trouble with alcohol
    ENJ: playful displays of Se/lots of Se toys-think Tony Stark IronMan

    (im partially kidding with the alcohol comment)

    how does Fi change from being 3rd or 4th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    how does Fi change from being 3rd?
    In particularly bad cases, it gives you this awful voice in your head. I think it's called a conscience...
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    Correct me if I am wrong but isn't our fourth function our stress function?

    Like we tend to more-so heavily rely on it when we are stressed.

    If you keep that in mind, 3rd and 4th have a huge difference.

    That's like relief versus stress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigitalMethod View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but isn't our fourth function our stress function?

    Like we tend to more-so heavily rely on it when we are stressed.

    If you keep that in mind, 3rd and 4th have a huge difference.

    That's like relief versus stress.
    i think my Se example with ENXJ vs INXJ definitely shows evidence of this.


    so it shouldnt really be about whether or not you feel or dont feel. this thread seems to evidence that that kind of theory is utter bullshit. It should really be about in what WAY Fi is expressed rather than by HOW OFTEN you deal with it.

    example:
    INFP Fi as dominant = how they make decisions
    ENFP Fi is parent = guides their dominant
    INTJ Fi as relief = a somewhat enjoyable escape from your dominant
    ENTJ Fi as stress = a stress point that often nags in your head in opposition to your Dominant

    You all probably already knew that. But I think it can be re-interpreted to be more profound when you consider that its possible that on certain days, Fi might "come up" just as often for all 4 of those people, yet its the attitude towards Fi that differs, not the quantity of Fi thoughts.

    agree or disagree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babylon Candle View Post
    i think my Se example with ENXJ vs INXJ definitely shows evidence of this.


    so it shouldnt really be about whether or not you feel or dont feel. this thread seems to evidence that that kind of theory is utter bullshit. It should really be about in what WAY Fi is expressed rather than by HOW OFTEN you deal with it.

    example:
    INFP Fi as dominant = how they make decisions
    ENFP Fi is parent = guides their dominant
    INTJ Fi as relief = a somewhat enjoyable escape from your dominant
    ENTJ Fi as stress = a stress point that often nags in your head in opposition to your Dominant

    You all probably already knew that. But I think it can be re-interpreted to be more profound when you consider that its possible that on certain days, Fi might "come up" just as often for all 4 of those people, yet its the attitude towards Fi that differs, not the quantity of Fi thoughts.

    agree or disagree?
    I express Se when I'm stressed. I hear, everything, and it gets really annoying. I also play games when I'm stressed which might be considered a representation of Se?

    I'm not sure if I agree with that. I don't think it's possible to ever measure the quantity of thoughts so..

    But yeah I understand what you're saying, that even if my Fi comes up I might brush it off due to something, while if a Fi issue comes up for an INFP they would be much more inclined to embrace it. I agree with that aspect.

    Although at the same time I don't feel right saying, "Everyone (or groups of types) has/have equal amounts of function use." Because I highly doubt Fi comes up in my daily life the same amount as an INFP or ENFP ...Although... it might not come up as much in my life as much as an INFP or ENFP because I am not totally guided by it as much as Ni/Te. The sort of "ever present yet never visible" thing. While for an ENFP or INFP it would be more of the "ever present and always visible".

    My thoughts are, it's a good theory.
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