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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    How do ENTJs become likeable and less threatening to others?

    Smile more, snark less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    I guess this has been talked over through and through, ENTJ with sugarcoating can approach any type in how laid back they are, and easy going. At least for me, I'm seeing a window in my situation for alternate behavior; I know I can avoid burnout, for example, by really tuning in to the feelings of the moment and really being laid back. If I've set up the time for it and I know I can do it, I can let myself go and enjoy it. Should the prequisites for such opportunity go away, I would start acting in a determined manner.

    There are many kinds of chores to do. Some of them can be done with apparent determination, others need pleasing someone. For example, making everyone enjoy in a social situation. I love it, it's fun - it's just that I would not get into a loop of always being the funny man and neglecting my duties.

    I think an effective ENTJ can act situationally to meet the needs of the situation, so that the grand plan is rock hard, while the appearance of the ENTJ might not be.

    Balanced ENTJ can actually seem and feel pleasant while they're doing their duties, for the benefit of everyone around them, and themselves, too.
    I hear ya. If there are stuff that needs doing, and stuff not going the way they are supposed to... How do you let go and "enjoy" the moment ?
    I think everyone can relax on a beach with a drink, except maybe people with some weird skin disease. Buy anyway!
    Are you saying that you somehow can relax even though you'd rather be doing something about it, just to not be a pain in the ass for others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I hear ya. If there are stuff that needs doing, and stuff not going the way they are supposed to... How do you let go and "enjoy" the moment ?
    I don't.
    Quote Originally Posted by YourLocalJesus View Post
    I think everyone can relax on a beach with a drink, except maybe people with some weird skin disease. Buy anyway!
    Are you saying that you somehow can relax even though you'd rather be doing something about it, just to not be a pain in the ass for others?
    No, rather I can output an acceptable image, if the situation calls for it. If it doesn't call for it, I start doing something about it.

    So in my world view, pleasant, carefree situations are windows in time, made such by organizing everything around them well enough, so you can let yourself go for those moments. The carefree time can be relatively long, or something you don't have at all, depending on what you have and what you need.
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    Sounds reasonable.

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santtu View Post
    So in my world view, pleasant, carefree situations are windows in time, made such by organizing everything around them well enough, so you can let yourself go for those moments. The carefree time can be relatively long, or something you don't have at all, depending on what you have and what you need.
    +1
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanveane View Post
    Be magnanimous, that's when ENTJs are at their best! My Dad is ENTJ, so I have an appreciation for their style (hehe, I also know how to duck and weave the controlling stuff quite well.) I love the strong and generous ones.



    In everyday life and for the people you care about it's great when an ENTJ clues you in on their processes a little. Why they are making a certain decision. It demonstrates awareness of other people, not just results or realizing your own grand plan. Be a little more collaborative even if you feel it's beneath you, others appreciate it. Fight the urge to dominate absolutely everything. For some your presence in the room is often forceful enough. Those things will soften the way an ENTJ comes off to others...




    Could do without everything having to escalate to full scale battle! Pick your battles if you can...

    Great advice. Maybe I should have more INFJ friends with insight.

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    ENTJ at their best: the merciful, benevolent overlord. Generous in victory, humble in defeat; firm but reasonable, feared by enemies and loved by subjects - that's the kind of leader people will march into battles for

    An overly controlling, bad tempered, insensitive prick will find his soldiers half-hearted at best.

    So said the ENTJ I was very close to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyJaye View Post
    HAHA! Same here. I see a thoughtfully laid out counterpoint as extremely interesting. Not that you'll be changing my mind, but it does breed opportunity for learning something worthwhile.

    And I enjoy displays of intellect, if the arguments have depth and validity, meaning I'm not having to listen to someone droning on about things that have no relevance.
    Oh. I wasn't quite thinking anything as benevolent or constructive as that. I was thinking more along the lines that if you can listen to somebody disagreeing with you in depth then you can learn a lot about the way they tick. If you can just accept that you're not going to change their minds (people very seldom change their minds) and just take it as an opportunity to learn how they tick, and don't take it personally, you can gather a lot of info about that person that you can use in future strategies. Makes it easier to persuade them of something in future, should the need arise

    Knowledge is power, as they say. shut someone up and don't give them the chance to explain or inhibit them from speaking their mind, and you're turning down an opportunity for a lotta knowledge and therefore lessening your power. :machiavelli:
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    *sigh*
    Glad I found this place - sure miss my personal ENTJ discussion partner.
    ... so ... just listening.

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    Whenever I meet an ENTJ, I have low expectations. I expect to be ignored until they have a tactical role that needs filling and they're out of decent tacticians. This kind of treatment almost made me betray the crew club.

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