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    I don't think there is a common NT view on morality. Fi and Fe have very different views on this matter. Fi is more concerned about right and wrong and Fe is more concerned about what "does the most good."
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    Morality is subjective.

    Some people trust me, others don't.

    Yes, in that my version of subjective morality is consistent. It might not be the shining beacon of ethical, societally conditioned behaviour but it's consistently applied.

    If you're a loved one, you can expect that I will back you to the wall at cost to self. You can also expect that my level of caring won't fluctuate unless your actions consistently tell me you don't care, value or respect me. You can expect generosity, intensity and devotion of time and surprisingly (ENTJ), emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Morality is subjective.

    Some people trust me, others don't.

    Yes, in that my version of subjective morality is consistent. It might not be the shining beacon of ethical, societally conditioned behaviour but it's consistently applied.

    If you're a loved one, you can expect that I will back you to the wall at cost to self. You can also expect that my level of caring won't fluctuate unless your actions consistently tell me you don't care, value or respect me. You can expect generosity, intensity and devotion of time and surprisingly (ENTJ), emotion.

    agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metaphor View Post
    Morality is subjective.

    Some people trust me, others don't.

    Yes, in that my version of subjective morality is consistent. It might not be the shining beacon of ethical, societally conditioned behaviour but it's consistently applied.

    If you're a loved one, you can expect that I will back you to the wall at cost to self. You can also expect that my level of caring won't fluctuate unless your actions consistently tell me you don't care, value or respect me. You can expect generosity, intensity and devotion of time and surprisingly (ENTJ), emotion.
    Yeah. Pretty much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vieamemusique View Post
    agreed.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salt n' pepper View Post
    Yeah. Pretty much.
    This is nice to interact with other ENTJs. Prior to getting interested in Jungian theory, I always wondered why I react this way when most others react that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    What brand of morality to you hold yourselves and others accountable to?
    I consider much of morality to be relative. Oftentimes there is no clear right or wrong and what's right or wrong can vary between situations. That said, I treat people fairly and respect. I am honest and not the sort of person to step one someone's toes to get ahead. I wouldn't ever steal or kill except if I was starving and other options to obtain food failed or if I had to kill for self-defense or if I killed one person in order to save many in those hypothetical ethical scenarios.


    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Do people trust you?
    Yes, I see no reason why people wouldn't trust me. I'm the type of person to keep my promises to others. On the rare occasion I break a promise, there will be a very good reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Do you consider yourself trustworthy?
    Yes, very.
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    What brand of morality to you hold yourselves and others accountable to?

    This can be a sore subject for me, since I am an atheist who lives in predominantly Mormon Utah. When I tell people I am an atheist, many tend to think I must have a very different lifestyle and set of morals than they do. It is quite frustrating and insulting.

    Basically, I try to live in a way that doesn't harm anyone else. Also, I try to help those who I think society has oppressed, or has harmed in some way or another. I try to do volunteer work for causes that I feel passionately about, mostly things that benefit the homeless, equal rights for the LGBT community, and various animal rights causes. Vegetarianism also fits into what I would consider my view of 'morality.'

    I have a difficult time trusting the morals of people who belong to a religion and behave a certain way toward others because they are trying to avoid the negative consequences that their religion has claimed will happen if they fail to follow those morals. I tend to think I am a more 'moral' person, since I try to treat others fairly because I think it is the right thing to do, not because I fear an imaginary consequence in an afterlife. I realize that is a very pretentious view of things, however, and I would rarely tell someone that in person.

    Do people trust you?

    Yes and no. I don't have a lot of people who are close to me, but those who I've deemed worthy of my loyalty know that I would practically do anything for them. For anyone else, I would treat them in a way that was fair and appropriate given the situation. I follow rules and laws that I consider logical and just, and disregard the others completely. I'm great at finding loopholes and explaining my way out of things that I am not willing to do.

    Do you consider yourself trustworthy?

    Well, yes. If I say I'm going to do something, I will do it. Some rules I will not follow, though, even if I know I am expected to. This has been a problem before in a few jobs. I've had managers who were very inept and ineffective, and I had difficulty doing anything that they told me to do. I would usually just do things my own way, and eventually the manager just becomes tired of reprimanding me, realizes that I work hard and efficiently, and leaves me to do things however I deem fit. On the other hand, if a manager actually wins my respect, I will trust them and do as they tell me, and work much harder for them.

    As far as romantic relationships, I'm very trustworthy in that sense. However, as soon as it is obvious that a relationship isn't rewarding for me anymore, I will abandon it without a second thought. This requires a very extreme fuck-up from my significant other, though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Here is a basic summary of my morality: I may not be a nice guy, but I'm not a scumbag either.

    Dealing with me you usually get what you deserve (good or bad)
    Yeah, pretty much. That's my TL;DR version.

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    I may not have many (or any) morals, but the few I have I stick to for the most part.


    What brand of morality to you hold yourselves and others accountable to?


    None, but I do expect people not to be hypocrites about their morals and others, which could make me a hypocrite...hmm...

    Do people trust you?

    I have more trust issues with others than others do with me, which is why I have very few friends for the most part. People seem to trust me for the most part, since I tell them up front, 'I'm a bitch, I'm most likely going to offend you if you think me calling TLC the Dwarf Channel was offensive, there's a lot worse I can think of'.

    Do you consider yourself trustworthy?

    Yes, what I say for the most part is truth (unless I feel like blatantly lying just for shits and giggles). I will say I won't follow this rule because of 'insert logical explanation', I'll try, but I probably won't, but I will get the job done the best I can, unless there is some conflict involved, but that gets complicated.

    It happened last night when I left my brother at some school party. It was the last day I was going to see my friends before they went back to college, and my mom wanted me to stay at his 'party' and pretend I'm his fucking parent and have fun there. I wanted nothing to do with people except my friends, and we made plans a week before, and she just threw them out the window, so I said 'fuck it' and left him there.

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    I like to keep my moral code flexible. Just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    What brand of morality to you hold yourselves and others accountable to?
    We all work together generously. I frown on negative and hateful words or actions, but harmless pranks or jokes are good still. People should be free to live free and learn from their mistakes without being burned at the stake. Rules are made to be broken, but common sense isn't.

    Do people trust you?
    Yeah, but I trust them more

    Do you consider yourself trustworthy?
    I have no bad intentions and probably never will have
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