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    NF - I tend to get along with them pretty well. Sometimes I feel like I have to walk on eggshells though - and while I'm busy doing this one of them will suddenly side-swipe me with a strong opinion... It's hard to explain, but it annoys me. Like, they'll try to come at me from a realm of personal opinion about a topic when I was just speaking hypothetically, not intending to express any personal opinion of my own. And as they formulate their own personal opinion about what I've said, they'll insert what they assume to be mine, even though I didn't intend to express one, and I didn't want the conversation to go down that road at all. It's just a wierd disconnect sometimes. That hyper-individuality/originality stuff can rub me the wrong way at times too. But I generally really like NF's.

    SP - Don't know many. I think I know an ISFP and she's cool. Except when she's going on about the finer details of the plumbing problem in her house and how she intends to fix it.

    SJ - Usually things go fine with them. I know a lot of SJ's. Though I hate it when they pull out the self-righteous crap. Sometimes I feel they look at me as a novelty not meant to be taken seriously. They'll laugh at my jokes and say that they think I'm really smart, but then turn around and harrass me for not having a boyfriend or not having 5 jobs like they do or not having a set schedule, or whatever else. And when I try to argue, I can tell they've blocked me already and it's totally futile. They'll hear me, but they won't listen.

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    NT - I tend to enjoy NT's, though the few NTJ's I know can drive me a little nuts at times. The ones I know are both really confident but also try their hardest to be really wierd. It can be hard to have a serious conversations at times, because somehow it'll all devolve into a "who can say the wierdest catchphrase in this context" contest. And while I'm all for that, I think it has its time and place. And they don't seem to agree with me on that. They're also 19-21 year-old guys though, so that could be a huge part of it. The NT females I know are awesome.

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    I think NT's have the absolute highest potential for intelligence. But, where one is strong they are also weak elesewhere. Everyone with their many personalities and temperments have their roles in this world and serve their purposes admirably. Some are meant to be scientists and great thinkers, others are meant to throw the greatest parties of all time. None is better than the other, they're all needed for balance.

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    I go through phases of hating and then liking INTP's... often it depends on my own I/E cycle, and I'll tend to 'hate' whatever's most like the parts of me I dislike at the time. Or the parts of that type description, anyway, if that makes any sense...

    I've just recently been thinking that ISFJ's are actually pretty awesome.

    But I've also been thinking how gigantic the variation of personalities there is within a single type, and yet without there being any doubt of the person's type. Take ISFJ's for example: you get really rockin', cool, calm, unjudgemental ones like Jae Rae - and then you get total basket case ones like my sister can be a lotta the time, just taking out everything on everyone whenever she's pissed or things don't go as expected for her, and so very, very judgemental.

    It's just something that makes me marvel, that's all.
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    Oh, I've amassed my own appraisal of each type based on my own experience. I hope it is valuable to you:

    ENFJ - Good guys, sensitive, excitable. Hard working. Gossips.
    ENFP - Lovable, flakes, dramatic. Sometimes paranoid attention whores.
    INFJ - Friendly rule followers. Verbal intellectuals. Often solid and / or chubby. Into music on a near mystical level, almost as a rule. Sensitive.
    ESFJ - Bossy, efficient.
    ESFP - Partiers, very friendly
    ISFJ - Friendly, pushovers yet stubborn. Very caring. Gullible.
    ISFP
    ENTJ - Hard-nosed, confident. Somewhat conventional and unimaginative.
    INTJ - Scientists, funny. Do what they say they will do.
    ENTP - Charming, flakes
    INTP - Flakey, nerds, gear heads, critical expressiveness. Somewhat depressive.
    ESTJ - Boring, friendly. Bossy if in a position to be.
    INFP - Idealistic flakes, prone to hypochondria or unusual medical conditions. Maybe internally very sensitive to bodily states? Difficult to get to know, but once they accept you, you're in.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    ENTPs: Louder and more impulsive than INTPs. Could be as smart if they weren't so concerned with premature action. Need for group activity is amusing and counter-productive for whatever their chosen areas of "excellence." Often get decent jobs an INTP would be 5x better at because they know people. Etcetera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Often get decent jobs an INTP would be 5x better at because they know people. Etcetera.
    Interesting. I read study recently where people self-reported that they would prefer to work with someone incompetent yet likable rather than someone competent and unlikable. I have gotten every job I have ever had (nearly without exception) through people I've known or even met online.

    I even interviewed for a position once, didn't get the job, and made friends with the VP in the interview. I kept in touch for 2 years and he later offered me a job out of the blue.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Interesting. I read study recently where people self-reported that they would prefer to work with someone incompetent yet likable rather than someone competent and unlikable. I have gotten every job I have ever had (nearly without exception) through people I've known or even met online. I even interviewed for a position once, didn't get the job, and made friends with the VP in the interview. I kept in touch for 2 years and he later offered me a job out of the blue.
    Precisely. I wasn't talking out of my ass. I just left out the "good" qualities.

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    NTs vs. NFs?

    NTs are better at efficiency. They're better at arguing fine points, and they can assemble the big picture pretty quickly. Although NTs can see the bigger picture, NFs have a certain intimacy with it that NTs don't have that can make their bigger picture deeper and richer. I think they live life with the same overall success rate, while...

    NTs vs. SPs?

    SPs, I get the impression, are more skilled at living life because they aren't pestered as much by their shortcomings. SPs can be really wild (if extraverted) or really tactical. In tactical stuff, they dominate. Knowing how to operate a big system. NTs might be good at building it, but I think they tire out when it comes to operation. The ISPs can get into something like that because they don't need their intuition stoked (stroked?) all the time. I admire the proprioception that I associate with SP athletes, as well as their musical prowess.

    NTs vs. SJs?

    ESTJ I can't stand, in general. I don't get along with SJs that are in superior positions to mine. If SJs are serving as subordinates, I'm fine with that. In fact, it's probably a good thing, since I like to take control of the planning and detest implementing. Other than that, I have some bad things to say (some good) but I can't generalize it because I don't know too many of these people intimately.

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    LOL Jack, go count your sour grapes before they hatch, or som'n

    (btw I'd really LOVE to see an INTP do my job at all, let alone 5x better)
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    I can think of examples of people of every type that I've got along with fantastically... but to take my general experiences of all...

    I'm allergic to INFJ's. Just completely allergic, man. In fact, FJ's generally make me feel sick to death of being judged and disapproved of, or told how I feel, what I think, and what's best for me.

    The only F's that make me laugh are ENFP's. The only T's that don't are ESTJ's.

    Introverts generally make me feel constantly smacked down and like they look down on me (oh you're so shallow and insecure for needing human company and talking! why can't you survive as a hermit and transmit your thoughts telepathically - or even better, in text format, like we healthy people!), and wear me out with mixed messages ("I do want this friendship... I just don't think it's worth putting any work into"), except ISxP's, who seem unique amongst introverts in knowing the skills involved how to actually have friends they're the only ones I seem to see on the whole who understand that it's a two way street. The rest seem to treat people as disposable or sorta 'convenience friends' - y'know, on the rare occasion they feel like some human company we've got to pull out all the stops and understand that we're on trial and this is our chance to prove our worth to them... but then we're to go back home and leave them alone until the next time, and if we need someone in the intervening time, we're to look elsewhere. Note, they never have to prove their worth - it's a test of our worth to just perceive theirs by the smouldering intelligence in their eyes

    Apart from the FJ's, no issues generally with the E's.
    Have to agree with alot of that

    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Oh, I've amassed my own appraisal of each type based on my own experience. I hope it is valuable to you:

    ENFJ - Good guys, sensitive, excitable. Hard working. Gossips.
    ENFP - Lovable, flakes, dramatic. Sometimes paranoid attention whores.
    INFJ - Friendly rule followers. Verbal intellectuals. Often solid and / or chubby. Into music on a near mystical level, almost as a rule. Sensitive.
    ESFJ - Bossy, efficient.
    ESFP - Partiers, very friendly
    ISFJ - Friendly, pushovers yet stubborn. Very caring. Gullible.
    ISFP
    ENTJ - Hard-nosed, confident. Somewhat conventional and unimaginative.
    INTJ - Scientists, funny. Do what they say they will do.
    ENTP - Charming, flakes
    INTP - Flakey, nerds, gear heads, critical expressiveness. Somewhat depressive.
    ESTJ - Boring, friendly. Bossy if in a position to be.
    INFP - Idealistic flakes, prone to hypochondria or unusual medical conditions. Maybe internally very sensitive to bodily states? Difficult to get to know, but once they accept you, you're in.
    QFT

    NT with NT: Interactions I prefer. NT's can take the truth, are laid back about reality, and don't create unnecessary drama.

    NT with NF: I find that if I grunt from time to agree we get along great.

    NT with SP: They're OK really. The only thing is that we tend to have a different definition of the word "FUN".

    NT with SJ: I like these folks a great deal even though I don't have much to say to them.

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