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    Haha. Go to the thread I just had a huge debate on that in....http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...dal-types.html

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    The thing about NTs is that we're (generally) not that dumb.

    Surface conformism can take you lots of places. After time you learn to read where and with whom you can be yourself.

    I'd venture to guess there's lots of xNTx females we've all met whom we didn't recognize as such, because they were both intelligent enough and socially skilled enough to know that "being themselves" would be more hassle than just flying under the radar for an evening or an event.
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    How hard society is on an NT female depends entirely on who she associates with.

    I have a feeling that it'd be hardest on INTP females. INTJs... not so much.
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    I find that anyone worth knowing actually finds NT females (me) a nice change of pace... even if I do say so myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I'd venture to guess there's lots of xNTx females we've all met whom we didn't recognize as such, because they were both intelligent enough and socially skilled enough to know that "being themselves" would be more hassle than just flying under the radar for an evening or an event.

    Yep.

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    NT girls are too rare, IMO.
    NF girls aren't exactly common either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tallulah View Post
    People want you to be softer, less opinionated, less sarcastic, more supportive and maternal. They want you to care about concepts less and social activities more. They want you to spend your whole life dreaming of marriage and children, and pity you if you don't.
    i wouldn't mind someone pitying me if they'd keep it to themselves, but they seem to be compelled to let you know either by literally saying it or by trying to 'fix' you with pushy opinions, invites, suggestions, etc. males mostly seem to be like that when trying to convince you that going out with them is what you 'need'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    The thing about NTs is that we're (generally) not that dumb.

    Surface conformism can take you lots of places. After time you learn to read where and with whom you can be yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    I'd venture to guess there's lots of xNTx females we've all met whom we didn't recognize as such, because they were both intelligent enough and socially skilled enough to know that "being themselves" would be more hassle than just flying under the radar for an evening or an event.
    absolutely. when in certain modes, people are incredibly easy to read because they don't have to think about it. they do it without thinking because it's how they naturally are. they make it very clear what's expected, and what isn't said is ridiculously easy to watch and learn. after doing that from the day you're born, you get extremely good at reading situations.

    the only time i'll consciously morph into who i'm talking to is when i'm in a business situation, or any other similar situation, where it's to my benefit (or a loved one's benefit) to play along and my detriment not to. i just do my best to keep those situations at a minimum for happiness' sake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    How hard society is on an NT female depends entirely on who she associates with.
    wish i knew what that meant.
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    I don't know whether to participate in this thread or not. I mean, back when I was an NT girl I wasn't actually a girl at all, I just thought I was cos I looked like one... all the same I still got all the same downsides that genuine NT girls get and have those experiences in my past (meaning I relate a lot to much of what's said here but Usehername, digest etc). But yet now I'm a guy lol I think expectations of me HAVE changed and the way my NT-ness is 'received' has changed... not in all aspects, my parents and family still expect SF female behaviour from me, just as they did back when I looked like one. I'm still working with a counsellor to get over the hangups I have from a background of being told I "should" be a certain way, emotionally, and punishing myself for not being that way - and believing others will. In fact, they don't any more.

    So in effect my participation by relating my experience can very much verify that yes, society is mean to NT females!!
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    The other thing is that people (in my experience, xSFJ females) can get super clingy when they hear you make a wry comment or very non-standard observation about something... they treat you like a new toy and ask you questions you don't want to answer, or constantly will contrast your opinion with a "normal person's opinion" and will choose contrary to whatever position you hold because they see you as "not normal."

    That's just a headache I hate dealing with.

    ....
    Or is this just me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    The other thing is that people (in my experience, xSFJ females) can get super clingy when they hear you make a wry comment or very non-standard observation about something... they treat you like a new toy and ask you questions you don't want to answer, or constantly will contrast your opinion with a "normal person's opinion" and will choose contrary to whatever position you hold because they see you as "not normal."

    That's just a headache I hate dealing with.

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    Or is this just me?
    no, it's not just you. when around certain females and males, and i say the things i say (don't have to tell you people), then that's what i hear from them. they like how i am and that's nice, but instead of it being a shared, mutual, give and take experience, then it can quickly become a burden because then it's like they want me around all the time... entertaining them like a circus bear. it gets exhausting and feels like i'm being bled dry. leaving the parts of me that are deeper, introspective, not 'socially' theoretical, etc. unused (therefore left in a concentrated form) and i have to get away from everyone like them in order to be the total 'me' again.

    i'm having fun and being appreciated, and that's a great feeling, but it's for only one or two aspects of me. the joking part and/or the analytical part (which they prefer to mostly be about them and/or something shallow or connected to them).

    don't get me wrong, i like being liked for being me, sure, and i don't hate them for showing it, not at all, but it is what it is: a double-edged sword. leaving me feeling empty if i'm the only one to think/act/talk like me for too long. kind of lonely even in a crowd, you could say.
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